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DARIUS IS TO STRONG!

AGS724··1 votes·6,631 views

Darius Darius passive needs to be nerfed heavily. whats balanced about a effect called BLEED that is basically an ignite on comand? NOTHING. whats balanced about having a ignite and heal (q combo) on command? NOTHING. whats a balanced about having heal with ignite with 39 armour at lv 1 to 107? NOTHGNG. when you combine these 3 abilities with resolve and conquer you have a unwinnable 1v1 from lv 1 to 18 you need to have atleast a 2v1 or 3v1 to kill him. NERF his passive orrrrrrr nerf his dmg and armour. I would say nerfing the passive would be fine cause then he would be killable in laning faze without having to play a mage or range top. IF you try to tell me hes not broken your either a Darius main or just blind to games mechanics

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Yets424013 votes

Maybe if you spent as much time as you spend whining and spamming multiple of the same post to the boards, instead looking up and learning the counterplay, and how not to get auto attacked repeatedly by an immobile melee with no gap closer and very limited CC, you'd have less issues facing an easily counter-played champion.

Yeah he does well in lane strictly vs other melees without escapes, hard CC or reliable engages (hint, go in during his Q windup to make him waste it, then back off before he gets more than 3 stacks, and play around the massive cooldown on his E. If he doesn't land Q, it takes him roughly 4-5 seconds of meleeing you to get full stacks if you just stand still and let him, even longer if you try to run away or use a blink/dash out, or CC him literally at all). He's a lane bully, that's kind of his shtick. If he's not fed to the moon, or even if he is and you have a competent team, he'll be dead weight come teamfights.

Crescent Dusk4 votes

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Maybe if you spent as much time as you spend whining and spamming multiple of the same post to the boards, instead looking up and learning the counterplay, and how not to get auto attacked repeatedly by an immobile melee with no gap closer and very limited CC, you'd have less issues facing an easily counter-played champion.

Yeah he does well in lane strictly vs other melees without escapes, hard CC or reliable engages (hint, go in during his Q windup to make him waste it, then back off before he gets more than 3 stacks, and play around the massive cooldown on his E. If he doesn't land Q, it takes him roughly 4-5 seconds of meleeing you to get full stacks if you just stand still and let him, even longer if you try to run away or use a blink/dash out, or CC him literally at all). He's a lane bully, that's kind of his shtick. If he's not fed to the moon, or even if he is and you have a competent team, he'll be dead weight come teamfights.

lol, as if other top laners weren't immobile as well.

He's as much a stat check melee champ as Sett is. And calling Darius's CC limited is hilariously naive considering he has a conal pull with a strong slow, said slow which has a pretty low cd.

But that's the least of his problem. The problem is he can easily transfer his triggered passive, so his ramp up mechanism is made moot considering as long as there's a melee champ nearby to get his stacks he can easily bring them over to you with W or Q in a single hit after.

SweedishGunner4 votes

It's funny watching all these top laners turn on each other.

'Don't get close to him' but I thought we wanted more melee top laners being played? 'Just don't get close bro'.

AGS7241 votes

honestly i dont main a role i play everything but its a double standard

InfinitysEdge10 votes

Somebody just went 1/7 against Darius as Tryndamere... oh silver players are quite something!

Kawaii Godzilla1 votes

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Somebody just went 1/7 against Darius as Tryndamere... oh silver players are quite something!

Don't lump us all together with whoever this is please

Uvec9 votes

git gud scrub

Jamaree7 votes

Wait, is a Try main really trying to call out Darius players...really?

AGS7241 votes

not a tryn main i dont main anyone tryn is powerful but not broken.

LordGeovanni7 votes

Trynda is defnitely broken along with crit in general. He almost wasnt broken when he couldnt activate ult during cc But he was still broken with how much Ad his W negated .

Wordse7 votes

Play Illoai? That's how I beat him or you could play Urgot and just play safe enough to burst him down with your jungle help.

I don't know if I'd call the fight unwinnable cause you can go inn during the Q deny him the heal and hemorrhage stack and keep doing damage in that time. Also the ignite comparison is off as he is not dealing true damage with his passive you can mitigate to negate it with itemization

AGS7242 votes

so basically what your saying is you beat Darius with ranged attacks being that both illoai and urgot have ranged attacks. Illoai is another one that needs looked at though mostly she needs her hit boxes fixed thats about it but still pretty much sums up what im saying is that trying to 1v1 with out any ranged attacks is impossible and that why his passive needs nerfed and yes its not quite like ignite but has a similar effect hence why i call it ignite.

Wordse6 votes

To be fair Illoai only initiates at range after that its all up close So I suppose boiled down my post is "mix it up." Yorick is another good pick he is much slower to get to his powerspike in my opinion but when he does Darius has a lot of trouble dealing with he single target ghost who deal a silly amount of damage.

If you wanna go into him with Garen or Riven or something you have to take trades that won't put you into his combo or communicate more and utilize mobility options like ghost to never let him capitalize

AGS7241 votes

ill be honest i really dont like play as illoai i just dont like her kit yorick is the only one i have yet to try as so one day when i feel like it ill play him but for now its auto ban darius till he gets nerfed

Solo Q Memes6 votes

I personally think Darius' stats are impressively high. It is more apparent when comparing it to some of the "weaker" top laners. And that is just the thing, you need to play something strong or counterpick Darius. I hate doing this, and I wish you could just play the champion you like and not need to worry about bully-champ designs etc. but that is how League functions. Some champions are designed to let their balls hang while others have to always play suppressed with their tails between their legs until the eventual "late game".

MuffledGarbage6 votes

If you're asking for a hard counter, here's one: Yorick

Yorick.

Soon as you get 2 abilities you should already have 3 graves up. 3 graves up + conqueror with you having Q and E = Darius will lose any trade with you AS LONG as you hit your E first

AGS7242 votes

neat ill try yorick out if i get the chance to ust need to hope im not first pick but anymore id rather ban darius than any other top lanner atm

MuffledGarbage2 votes

JUST remember to run from dari when he gets 5 stax of his passive otherwise he wins the trade.

AGS7241 votes

just like any other champ the faces him

Z3SIeeper1 votes

Shhhhhhhhh

Troll Slaiyer6 votes

of course more disagree with u than they agree. darius is THE top laner if someone has to toplane. no surprise majority here play darius and will defend that busted monstrosity.

i liek how ppl say he is immobile when darius players tend to take ghost and perhaps phase rush sometimes. slap on his usual build (which is tier 2 boots and triforce, both givng tons of speed). being immobile is not a good argument at this point.

his gameplay is "did i hit/pull a victim?" if yes proceed to continue hitting them until they flash away. if no, pop ghost and go all in anyway cuz ur dairus.

AGS7242 votes

pretty much so all i want is his passive nerfed. all other lane bullies have either a fall off point/counter play/or low mobility or literally something that gives counter play but darius literally has nothing to counter him unless you play range or yorick who build walls constantly. if you try to play another melee champ good luck doing fuck all laning phase

Kawaii Godzilla2 votes

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of course more disagree with u than they agree. darius is THE top laner if someone has to toplane. no surprise majority here play darius and will defend that busted monstrosity.

i liek how ppl say he is immobile when darius players tend to take ghost and perhaps phase rush sometimes. slap on his usual build (which is tier 2 boots and triforce, both givng tons of speed). being immobile is not a good argument at this point.

his gameplay is "did i hit/pull a victim?" if yes proceed to continue hitting them until they flash away. if no, pop ghost and go all in anyway cuz ur dairus.

Him taking ghost doesn't really have anything to do with Darius' innate mobility or lack there of. By design, he is immobile. Whatever items or summoner spells he tacks on are supposed to supplement his weaknesses. That's like saying everybody is mobile because everyone takes flash

LanceTheJungler4 votes

Nah the only thing broken about Darius is his passive AD. It literally gives him 1050 to 8050 gold based on level in PURE AD. His abilities and the bleed are all fine IMO. It's just the passive AD that makes him win ANY all in with no skill.

AGS7243 votes

you made a good point actually i didnt realize that what the gold base was yikes

Vault loves kit4 votes

Bud Darius has no mobility his passive is basically none existent unless you hit someone 5 times so maybe try not to stand and trade hits with him to the point where he hits you 5+ and gets you low and you wont bleed to death ez pz

HideSide1 votes

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Bud Darius has no mobility his passive is basically none existent unless you hit someone 5 times so maybe try not to stand and trade hits with him to the point where he hits you 5+ and gets you low and you wont bleed to death ez pz

Has no mobility cuz stats doesnt count And passive doesnt exist because you has to click with mouse and use spells but that doesnt count either.

AGS7243 votes

ITS FUNNY TO SEE PEOPLE GET SO PISSED OVER SAYING THEIR BABY DARIUS IS OVER POWERED RIGHT NOW. WHILE THE LOGICAL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CAN ACKNOWLEDGE PROBLEMS IN THE GAME CAN SAY YEAH HES A LITTLE ON THE BROKEN SIDE AND NEEDS TWEAKED. gotta love the community [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Vault loves kit2 votes

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ITS FUNNY TO SEE PEOPLE GET SO PISSED OVER SAYING THEIR BABY DARIUS IS OVER POWERED RIGHT NOW. WHILE THE LOGICAL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CAN ACKNOWLEDGE PROBLEMS IN THE GAME CAN SAY YEAH HES A LITTLE ON THE BROKEN SIDE AND NEEDS TWEAKED. gotta love the community [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

you play mord yet you think darius needs a nerf your out of your mind

AGS7241 votes

i love when people say mord is broken! how the hell is mord broken they lowered his mobility so unless he lands his e on you hes pretty ez to dodge and if you get ulted you just buy qss and BOOM ult is useless now. Ive straight won a 1v1 playing as nasus at lv 6 because i rushed qss and nasus early game is pretty dukey you have to really dodge and out play someone to get early game kills by yourself as nasus. So how is he broken when you can literally never be ulted by that champion just by spending i think 1300 gold.item 3140

Bastilean3 votes

Wooo woooo! Grammar police! You are under arrest. Darius is** TOO** strong. "Darius is to strong." doesn't mean anything! Darius is to strong as caster minion is to weak and sweet is to chocolate. You are being given a warning. You may go, BUT don't let it happen again! LEST THE LAWS OF GRAMMAR DAM YOU TO ETERNAL SUFFERING GIBBERING MEANINGLESS DRIVEL!!

NickColaTesla 3 votes

Here's a couple of his counters:

Jax Yorick Ryze Sett Fiora

These aren't champions who don't see pro play, they either have very high win rates or are fantastic at what they do.

Freeza with an I3 votes

It's not really a Darius problem, it's a Juggernauts are a bad idea that should've never been implemented problem IMO. Being a tank with extremely high damage with the "no mobility" downside isn't good enough I think.

All the implementation of juggernauts have done is break existing characters to either be overpowered or worthless (Old Morde, and Skarner), or be extremely oppressive with their only real counter being ranged top (Darius, New Morde, Garen). I wish they went back to being fighters or bruisers and not just tanks with TONS O DAMAGE cuz it's not fun to play against.

huhndog2 votes

just watch challenger replays and see how they handle laning against him. Utilize the resources available to you and strive to become stronger

AGS7241 votes

i do but when im facing a over powered character im going to call it out like hes been around for a long time now and hes a lane bully with 0 counter play unless your range or yorick who build a wall around him. so basically his counter play is stay the hell away

dontspinbutwin2 votes

Darius Main here. Hi.

1, his passive has BEEN nerfed. It used to chunk massively before his rework, so the passive you see currently is the weakened version. What you're frustrated at is his 5 stacks AD buff, which adds onto the damage for his passive (since there is an ad ratio on it)

2.Darius is extremely strong close up, yes. He's a juggernaut. That's his role. When interviewing riot, the developers themselves said that they liked the idea of "almost guarenteeing losing a lane", since he's so dominating. His weakness is the fact that he can't get to anyone, and thats a massive weakness in this high mobility/burst meta. So many champs have strong disengage/cc to disrupt darius that its insanely difficult to get on them. I could take ghost, yes, but that cuts down on my map presence, and ghost doesn't give me tenacity.

  1. It sucks to fight him for 2 reasons. You either can't dodge his heal (I'm not critiquing your skill here: Some champions are physically incapable of dodging his Q due to champion sizes and hitboxes), and his passive ad burst. However, that means Darius has to get to 5 stacks, and land the outer ring of his Q. If you have a dash, you can quite literally avoid both threats here. Furthermore, you can use the dash to go into the darius, so he can't heal/get a stack of passive, and is stuck in an animation while you are free to wreck havoc. Furthermore, even though he has an auto attack reset, he has one of, if not THE most, lowest base attack speed in the game. As such, you can have auto duels, then use a dash to disengage when at 4 stacks.

TLDR: Darius is strong when you play around his strengths. So don't fight him in his strengths. Fight him in his weaknesses. Higher elo can capaitalize on this, and thats why juggernauts tend to steamroll lower elos, and suffer higher elos. It's worth it to be 40 cs behind early game. Let him take your turret if your jungler won't come top, then farm safely midgame. Later on, in 5v5s, if your team decides to focus him, he can't do anything. A lowrange hook is all he has, and in this meta of mobility and burst, missing that hook means death.

frackphoneverifi2 votes

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TLDR: Darius is strong when you play around his strengths. So don't fight him in his strengths. Fight him in his weaknesses. Higher elo can capaitalize on this, and thats why juggernauts tend to steamroll lower elos, and suffer higher elos. It's worth it to be 40 cs behind early game. Let him take your turret if your jungler won't come top, then farm safely midgame. Later on, in 5v5s, if your team decides to focus him, he can't do anything. A lowrange hook is all he has, and in this meta of mobility and burst, missing that hook means death.

so what you are saying is on top of his passive $ values he should get all lane priority for free just because he Darius vs most melee picks.

for vast majority of players(lower elo) cant go top lane as a melee unless they can match Darius or ban him...you dont see that kind of oppression, as a problem at all? especially when most games are decided in 10-15 min and safe playing for a mid to late game is not really an option..when a early lead can become an unstoppable snowball.

not to mention their are many old non mobile champs suffering FAR worse in this mobile meta then Darius ever has...

HideSide2 votes

Well, the thing why high elo players deal with noobsmashing champions is via better team coordination and out of lane meanwhile low elo gameplay is more or less just lane gameplay... I also rather focus on lane gameplay than out of alne gameplay and teamfights since its more fun. Not even high elo players have much choices to do against darius beside team coordination. And also what you yourself said, no real toplaner beats him as ranged toplaners are vastly unwanted by community.

I play for example Fiora and if I play against darius I have to be doped by energy to have almost inhuman reactions. Really if I am just a bit mentally tired which is majority of cases then there is no fkin way to win over darius since only choice you have are to block either E or R and even still you play farming simulator until you have at LEAST whole item or almost whole item. No need to say that both his E and R are fast animations and without proper focus you are not gonna block any of these two. And that goes for champion that has way better chances to win that majority of champions. Beside Fiora I believe it is kennen, vayne, gnar, teemo and other ranged champions. When it comes to melees then maybe sett and morde and thats just maybe, no one else. I guess...

dontspinbutwin1 votes

As darius, I've struggled the most against: Kled (favored), Vayne (Favored), Zilean (Biggest counter in game), Neeko (Favored), Sett (Skill), Morde (Skill), Fiora (Slightly Favored), Riven (Slightly favored), Gangplank (Favored), Quinn (Favored), Heimer (Slightly Favored), Illaoi (Skill), Yorick (Slightly Favored), etc. There are a few more champs, but these are the biggest ones you can play to ruin a Darius.

There are a few other champs I didn't mention (such as Jax or olaf), that used to do well against darius, but after certain changes/myself improving, Idk how I fare against them (Ex: jax vs darius feels a lot more fair and skill based after SoS got removed). Other champs that don't have KP (Soraka, Teemo, Gnar) were removed because Darius can kinda shrug it off.

HideSide1 votes

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As darius, I've struggled the most against: Kled (favored), Vayne (Favored), Zilean (Biggest counter in game), Neeko (Favored), Sett (Skill), Morde (Skill), Fiora (Slightly Favored), Riven (Slightly favored), Gangplank (Favored), Quinn (Favored), Heimer (Slightly Favored), Illaoi (Skill), Yorick (Slightly Favored), etc. There are a few more champs, but these are the biggest ones you can play to ruin a Darius.

There are a few other champs I didn't mention (such as Jax or olaf), that used to do well against darius, but after certain changes/myself improving, Idk how I fare against them (Ex: jax vs darius feels a lot more fair and skill based after SoS got removed). Other champs that don't have KP (Soraka, Teemo, Gnar) were removed because Darius can kinda shrug it off.

In which context do you use word "favored"?

SirHydro1 votes

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In which context do you use word "favored"?

He means the match up favors said champ over Darius.

HideSide1 votes

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He means the match up favors said champ over Darius.

Well then I have question about Kled matchup since I dont play any of them. Why is it favored for him? Darius can just keep poking him via Q and wait for him to both invade and then after he use second E then Darius use his E to pull Kled back to prolong fight for the sake of stacks and thus win via high numbers. The sake technique works even against Fiora if she doesnt have inhuman reactions and darius isnt too predictable...

Matchups on high skill level works differently than on low level. Fiora x Yasuo for example is different in that regard that you basically fight him without your W as he can bait your W with his Q and then simply block it with his W then he just stack Q again and goes to fight you, In fight he doesnt just simply use his Q since that can be easily dodged by sidestep or be countered by Fiora's Q. Fiora on the other hand doesnt force fight unless it is completely in her favor since yasuo can easily void her hitting the vital simply just by dashing so she either wait for yasuo to dash first ( to her to use E/ W and then E or to some minion to kill and then she uses fast Q if vital is in right position) and try to force longer but not too long fight just the right to use everything and then fall back.

ZroSlash2 votes

If you played trynd into him did you try play safe? Honestly i used to play that match-up all the time before i found out singed was more fun than trynd. As trynd you just wait till level 6 and Tiamat item spike and then if you do right you wait for him to use his q that way he legit has no Heal Trade abilitys for a short while (Also make sure you got rage built up already so you crit him more often then not but also its easier to get more rage built and to farm safer due to Tiamat) Then go in but a really good time to go in as well is if he has no mana or a lower minion count then yours in lane that way he tanks minion agro and not you. Once you go in i hope to god you have ignite and flash ready as well as ult so go in after q/low mana and if he does use q in the fight save spin for when he is going to do that so you dodge the heal part of his kit and you should have him dead with ignite as well witch also negates his heal factor by a LOT so it is a skilled matchup indeed but i saw you said you don't main trynd and thats ok. If you truly have a Champion problem in lane and not the fact you don't know how a matchup works then just ban the champ and easy fix

frackphoneverifi1 votes

i remember one time i started a new account and i played Darius with just ONE HAND and stomped lane ganks whatever they threw at me by basically just auto attacking and an odd q when i could click it with mouse. i even stayed standing in lane while i left to the bathroom and had a kill by the time i got back....

mind you most of these opponents were fairly new but the other team did have a couple of low smurfs.

but ya, i never really liked Darius since he was added. he get a LOT of free shit/value in his kit. and may need some really sharp play if you want to beat him as a melee,if you cant just stat check him.... but i mostly dont like him cause he was basically the start of overloaded kits. his popularity only further encouraged certainlyt and riot to keep making overloaded/broken shit.

ZroSlash2 votes

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i remember one time i started a new account and i played Darius with just ONE HAND and stomped lane ganks whatever they threw at me by basically just auto attacking and an odd q when i could click it with mouse. i even stayed standing in lane while i left to the bathroom and had a kill by the time i got back....

mind you most of these opponents were fairly new but the other team did have a couple of low smurfs.

but ya, i never really liked Darius since he was added. he get a LOT of free shit/value in his kit. and may need some really sharp play if you want to beat him as a melee,if you cant just stat check him.... but i mostly dont like him cause he was basically the start of overloaded kits. his popularity only further encouraged certainlyt and riot to keep making overloaded/broken shit.

You are legit lying. You make Darius seem like yuumi in ways witch are not true THIS WHOLE POST IS BASED ON HIS PASSIVE AND THE ONLY THINGS HE DOES THAT PEOPLE REALLY HATE IS USING HIS KIT AND YOUR TALKING ABOUT HOW " Oh i played one handed click on the guy and went to the bathroom and won and stomped lanes and 1v2s just by auto attacking" in what world does that actually happen besides iron players that just sit still and auto attack each other. if you are telling the truth that's super sad and i know for a fact that it was a low elo game

Edit: Not saying OMG MY BABY DARIUS NO trust me i hate the champ too. But just calling out your story.

frackphoneverifi1 votes

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You are legit lying. You make Darius seem like yuumi in ways witch are not true THIS WHOLE POST IS BASED ON HIS PASSIVE AND THE ONLY THINGS HE DOES THAT PEOPLE REALLY HATE IS USING HIS KIT AND YOUR TALKING ABOUT HOW " Oh i played one handed click on the guy and went to the bathroom and won and stomped lanes and 1v2s just by auto attacking" in what world does that actually happen besides iron players that just sit still and auto attack each other. if you are telling the truth that's super sad and i know for a fact that it was a low elo game

Edit: Not saying OMG MY BABY DARIUS NO trust me i hate the champ too. But just calling out your story.

its from a while ago but sadly, the story is true.

it was on new account as i said so i would say a few of the opponents were new players and far less then even iron players...which is why i handicapped myself to one handed...sadly it takes a few games for the system to sort people away from the new players so not much i could do to avoid that.

and it was just one handed not all auto attacks just mostly. but i could use some skills if i click the button on screen which was a pain but doable.test it your self in trainer mode to see your self if you want.

i pretty much got fed to a point where i had the damage to just aa people down in a few auto attacks so ya a 2v1 one is not a big threat from a couple behind newbies.

as for the afk kill,i was rather surprised by it myself. but a idle champ can still attack anything in melee range which i suspect someone tried to melee attack me when they saw me afk. and took more then a few hits and backed off to late, and died to bleed.

just because you dont like the story doesn't mean i lied. but i understand, people get defensive about the champs they like. as for myself after my main got reworked i stopped caring about this game and came to criticize riot a lot nowadays.

but dont let your bias blind you to the fact that many certainlyt champs and reworks get often get a lot of flak for being unfun to play vs and seem to hold rather high ban rates...

RyzeRework1 votes

The best way to bully him is through short fast trades

TheFakeMrobby1 votes

I mean Darius is kind of like a dark souls boss, you gotta play around his abilities and play Around his bad mobility. If you can do that you win. Also many tanks out scale Darius (although he counters them early) But usually Darius is very hard to play well in the later stages of the game. As his damage is heavily gated to extended fights and his tankyness is lower than other champions. And btw patch 10.5 Darius is getting buffed not nerfed

HideSide1 votes

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I mean Darius is kind of like a dark souls boss, you gotta play around his abilities and play Around his bad mobility. If you can do that you win. Also many tanks out scale Darius (although he counters them early) But usually Darius is very hard to play well in the later stages of the game. As his damage is heavily gated to extended fights and his tankyness is lower than other champions. And btw patch 10.5 Darius is getting buffed not nerfed

The biggest problem is that once you figure out how to play him then you have almost guaranteed all 5 stacks of his passive in one go which really isnt extended fight, especially when the whole combo itself do enough dmg to finish you with his R, all in one go...

Abandon1 votes

I don't feel Darius is super overtuned or anything but yeah, he did get a string of buffs before despite boasting some of the highest stats a bruiser can have. My biggest gripe with Darius is how braindead he is... I know it's my fault if I mess up and let him stack 5 on me but damn, it just feels shit. When I lose to Darius I don't feel like I got outskilled but rather I made too many mistakes and because of how he works, he kind of hard snowballs against most melee champions so I don't get too much chance of redemption. Still, he's not the worth thing to exist.

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