DARIUS IS TO STRONG!

AGS724·2/27/2020, 8:58:03 PM·1 votes·6,631 views

Darius Darius passive needs to be nerfed heavily. whats balanced about a effect called BLEED that is basically an ignite on comand? NOTHING. whats balanced about having a ignite and heal (q combo) on command? NOTHING. whats a balanced about having heal with ignite with 39 armour at lv 1 to 107? NOTHGNG. when you combine these 3 abilities with resolve and conquer you have a unwinnable 1v1 from lv 1 to 18 you need to have atleast a 2v1 or 3v1 to kill him. NERF his passive orrrrrrr nerf his dmg and armour. I would say nerfing the passive would be fine cause then he would be killable in laning faze without having to play a mage or range top. IF you try to tell me hes not broken your either a Darius main or just blind to games mechanics

65 Comments

Yets42402/27/2020, 9:13:17 PM13 votes

Maybe if you spent as much time as you spend whining and spamming multiple of the same post to the boards, instead looking up and learning the counterplay, and how not to get auto attacked repeatedly by an immobile melee with no gap closer and very limited CC, you'd have less issues facing an easily counter-played champion.

Yeah he does well in lane strictly vs other melees without escapes, hard CC or reliable engages (hint, go in during his Q windup to make him waste it, then back off before he gets more than 3 stacks, and play around the massive cooldown on his E. If he doesn't land Q, it takes him roughly 4-5 seconds of meleeing you to get full stacks if you just stand still and let him, even longer if you try to run away or use a blink/dash out, or CC him literally at all). He's a lane bully, that's kind of his shtick. If he's not fed to the moon, or even if he is and you have a competent team, he'll be dead weight come teamfights.

InfinitysEdge2/27/2020, 9:18:16 PM10 votes

Somebody just went 1/7 against Darius as Tryndamere... oh silver players are quite something!

Uvec2/27/2020, 9:20:52 PM9 votes

git gud scrub

Wordse2/27/2020, 10:07:08 PM7 votes

Play Illoai? That's how I beat him or you could play Urgot and just play safe enough to burst him down with your jungle help.

I don't know if I'd call the fight unwinnable cause you can go inn during the Q deny him the heal and hemorrhage stack and keep doing damage in that time. Also the ignite comparison is off as he is not dealing true damage with his passive you can mitigate to negate it with itemization

Jamaree2/27/2020, 10:04:56 PM7 votes

Wait, is a Try main really trying to call out Darius players...really?

Solo Q Memes2/27/2020, 10:41:30 PM6 votes

I personally think Darius' stats are impressively high. It is more apparent when comparing it to some of the "weaker" top laners. And that is just the thing, you need to play something strong or counterpick Darius. I hate doing this, and I wish you could just play the champion you like and not need to worry about bully-champ designs etc. but that is how League functions. Some champions are designed to let their balls hang while others have to always play suppressed with their tails between their legs until the eventual "late game".

MuffledGarbage2/27/2020, 11:04:28 PM6 votes

If you're asking for a hard counter, here's one: Yorick

Yorick.

Soon as you get 2 abilities you should already have 3 graves up. 3 graves up + conqueror with you having Q and E = Darius will lose any trade with you AS LONG as you hit your E first

Troll Slaiyer2/27/2020, 11:54:21 PM6 votes

of course more disagree with u than they agree. darius is THE top laner if someone has to toplane. no surprise majority here play darius and will defend that busted monstrosity.

i liek how ppl say he is immobile when darius players tend to take ghost and perhaps phase rush sometimes. slap on his usual build (which is tier 2 boots and triforce, both givng tons of speed). being immobile is not a good argument at this point.

his gameplay is "did i hit/pull a victim?" if yes proceed to continue hitting them until they flash away. if no, pop ghost and go all in anyway cuz ur dairus.

Vault loves kit2/28/2020, 5:44:31 AM4 votes

Bud Darius has no mobility his passive is basically none existent unless you hit someone 5 times so maybe try not to stand and trade hits with him to the point where he hits you 5+ and gets you low and you wont bleed to death ez pz

LanceTheJungler2/28/2020, 1:06:44 AM4 votes

Nah the only thing broken about Darius is his passive AD. It literally gives him 1050 to 8050 gold based on level in PURE AD. His abilities and the bleed are all fine IMO. It's just the passive AD that makes him win ANY all in with no skill.

Freeza with an I2/28/2020, 8:00:39 AM3 votes

It's not really a Darius problem, it's a Juggernauts are a bad idea that should've never been implemented problem IMO. Being a tank with extremely high damage with the "no mobility" downside isn't good enough I think.

All the implementation of juggernauts have done is break existing characters to either be overpowered or worthless (Old Morde, and Skarner), or be extremely oppressive with their only real counter being ranged top (Darius, New Morde, Garen). I wish they went back to being fighters or bruisers and not just tanks with TONS O DAMAGE cuz it's not fun to play against.

AGS7242/28/2020, 3:39:00 AM3 votes

ITS FUNNY TO SEE PEOPLE GET SO PISSED OVER SAYING THEIR BABY DARIUS IS OVER POWERED RIGHT NOW. WHILE THE LOGICAL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CAN ACKNOWLEDGE PROBLEMS IN THE GAME CAN SAY YEAH HES A LITTLE ON THE BROKEN SIDE AND NEEDS TWEAKED. gotta love the community [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

NickColaTesla 2/28/2020, 7:10:14 AM3 votes

Here's a couple of his counters:

Jax Yorick Ryze Sett Fiora

These aren't champions who don't see pro play, they either have very high win rates or are fantastic at what they do.

Bastilean2/28/2020, 6:06:51 AM3 votes

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ZroSlash2/29/2020, 12:44:17 AM2 votes

If you played trynd into him did you try play safe? Honestly i used to play that match-up all the time before i found out singed was more fun than trynd. As trynd you just wait till level 6 and Tiamat item spike and then if you do right you wait for him to use his q that way he legit has no Heal Trade abilitys for a short while (Also make sure you got rage built up already so you crit him more often then not but also its easier to get more rage built and to farm safer due to Tiamat) Then go in but a really good time to go in as well is if he has no mana or a lower minion count then yours in lane that way he tanks minion agro and not you. Once you go in i hope to god you have ignite and flash ready as well as ult so go in after q/low mana and if he does use q in the fight save spin for when he is going to do that so you dodge the heal part of his kit and you should have him dead with ignite as well witch also negates his heal factor by a LOT so it is a skilled matchup indeed but i saw you said you don't main trynd and thats ok. If you truly have a Champion problem in lane and not the fact you don't know how a matchup works then just ban the champ and easy fix

huhndog2/28/2020, 12:09:31 AM2 votes

just watch challenger replays and see how they handle laning against him. Utilize the resources available to you and strive to become stronger

dontspinbutwin2/28/2020, 3:54:47 AM2 votes

Darius Main here. Hi.

1, his passive has BEEN nerfed. It used to chunk massively before his rework, so the passive you see currently is the weakened version. What you're frustrated at is his 5 stacks AD buff, which adds onto the damage for his passive (since there is an ad ratio on it)

2.Darius is extremely strong close up, yes. He's a juggernaut. That's his role. When interviewing riot, the developers themselves said that they liked the idea of "almost guarenteeing losing a lane", since he's so dominating. His weakness is the fact that he can't get to anyone, and thats a massive weakness in this high mobility/burst meta. So many champs have strong disengage/cc to disrupt darius that its insanely difficult to get on them. I could take ghost, yes, but that cuts down on my map presence, and ghost doesn't give me tenacity.

  1. It sucks to fight him for 2 reasons. You either can't dodge his heal (I'm not critiquing your skill here: Some champions are physically incapable of dodging his Q due to champion sizes and hitboxes), and his passive ad burst. However, that means Darius has to get to 5 stacks, and land the outer ring of his Q. If you have a dash, you can quite literally avoid both threats here. Furthermore, you can use the dash to go into the darius, so he can't heal/get a stack of passive, and is stuck in an animation while you are free to wreck havoc. Furthermore, even though he has an auto attack reset, he has one of, if not THE most, lowest base attack speed in the game. As such, you can have auto duels, then use a dash to disengage when at 4 stacks.

TLDR: Darius is strong when you play around his strengths. So don't fight him in his strengths. Fight him in his weaknesses. Higher elo can capaitalize on this, and thats why juggernauts tend to steamroll lower elos, and suffer higher elos. It's worth it to be 40 cs behind early game. Let him take your turret if your jungler won't come top, then farm safely midgame. Later on, in 5v5s, if your team decides to focus him, he can't do anything. A lowrange hook is all he has, and in this meta of mobility and burst, missing that hook means death.

RyzeRework2/28/2020, 8:39:25 AM1 votes

The best way to bully him is through short fast trades

TheFakeMrobby2/28/2020, 10:53:04 AM1 votes

I mean Darius is kind of like a dark souls boss, you gotta play around his abilities and play Around his bad mobility. If you can do that you win. Also many tanks out scale Darius (although he counters them early) But usually Darius is very hard to play well in the later stages of the game. As his damage is heavily gated to extended fights and his tankyness is lower than other champions. And btw patch 10.5 Darius is getting buffed not nerfed

Abandon2/28/2020, 12:43:36 PM1 votes

I don't feel Darius is super overtuned or anything but yeah, he did get a string of buffs before despite boasting some of the highest stats a bruiser can have. My biggest gripe with Darius is how braindead he is... I know it's my fault if I mess up and let him stack 5 on me but damn, it just feels shit. When I lose to Darius I don't feel like I got outskilled but rather I made too many mistakes and because of how he works, he kind of hard snowballs against most melee champions so I don't get too much chance of redemption. Still, he's not the worth thing to exist.

frackphoneverifi2/28/2020, 3:23:00 AM1 votes

i remember one time i started a new account and i played Darius with just ONE HAND and stomped lane ganks whatever they threw at me by basically just auto attacking and an odd q when i could click it with mouse. i even stayed standing in lane while i left to the bathroom and had a kill by the time i got back....

mind you most of these opponents were fairly new but the other team did have a couple of low smurfs.

but ya, i never really liked Darius since he was added. he get a LOT of free shit/value in his kit. and may need some really sharp play if you want to beat him as a melee,if you cant just stat check him.... but i mostly dont like him cause he was basically the start of overloaded kits. his popularity only further encouraged certainlyt and riot to keep making overloaded/broken shit.