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Regarding the Riven Nerfs

YourDrunkGranny·5/7/2015, 3:45:56 AM·8 votes·8,713 views
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It's bullshit. Riot should be nerfing sej, gragas, hecarim, irelia, nunu, kalista, and etc. WTF is this shit? Riven is so easily countered, falls off late game, already been nerfed from that bullshit black cleaver change, and now they're going to slow her and even make her ult slow? Riot's retarded. How is this even possible? She has like 10 counter champs : Darius, Malphite, Hecarim, Nunu, Irelia, Garen, Renekton, Olaf, Pantheon, Teemo, Fiora, and etc. Riot's retarded. She's also a very high skill cap. Seriously Riot? WTF explain yourself. These nerfs are not necessary.

Riven's Q: 13 second CDR with having 1 cc at the end for like 0.5 seconds, and Q does no dmg until late game. Only used for passive stacks and auto cancel.

Riven's W: Stun that's short ranged and less lasting than most stuns and cc (def less than irelia's stun)

Riven's E: Nerfed so hard u have to time it to perfection and only used for shield and escape for 1 second.

Riven's R: Only tool that allows her to do damage, and you're nerfing her finisher kit so that Rivens can't get kills.

Even if riven snowballs, she can only snowball early to mid and she's basically useless late game other than splitting and 1v1ing people. She doesn't have a good teamfight potential because once she goes all in, she needs flash to escape or she'll get cced to death.

She's not even used in competitve gaming, she's used in solo queue. People don't know how to play against her which is why she might have a high win rate, but that doesn't mean she's overpowered. Riven is easily countered, falls behind late game, has no sustain in lane (lowest health per sec), and she's just horrible in today's meta. You can just stack armor (thornmail, randuin's and sunfire) and its over for rivens. What is wrong with Riot. Yes, she has good burst and that's because she can cancel animations with hydra and other kits. That's really hard to pull off, and that's the only reason why she's played, because its high risk high rewards kind of playstyle, and she's the only "fun" champion that is in league of legends. Riven can be kited and cced down so easily it's stupid, and you just nerf her because people are upset about not knowing how to play against her because you let riven melee/near your range. She needs to use flash to get near her opponents in order to burst them, unlike leblanc, zed, ahri, lissandra, and etc. She has nothing to get close to people other than her q and e which is predicatble, and she has no escape after committment and has to wait for cdr to come back up, which is why people stack 40 percent cdr and try their best to spam for skills and escapes, but its NOTHING compared to Zed, leblanc, fizz, Lissandra, and other champions that has range, damage, assassin potential and teamfight potential. I really don't feel that this nerf is needed at all. If riven's being nerfed, why aren't you nerfing Zed, Leblanc, Lissandra, irelia, sejuani, nidalee, gragas, talon, rengar, and etc. She's strong when fed, just like any other champions. Don't nerf her because she gets fed and gets a 1v3 win, because riven is a melee god and if you're fed, you cannot do that to her with ult and everything.

Sigh, Riot.

59 Comments

Xrusa5/7/2015, 4:00:18 AM7 votes

"She's also a very high skill cap." drinking all the fully stacked item 3070 item 3070 from riven mains

LunaEqualsLuna5/7/2015, 11:31:12 AM5 votes

Q does no dmg until late game.

Riven players complaining they don't do enough damage. Yup lets buff her early damage, because unless Riven can just immediately run into lane at level 1 and 100-0 the enemy then she doesn't do enough damage.

Lets buff Riven early damage so we can go back to fun stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_qmmdN_fQ0

This is balance to a Riven player.

She's also a very high skill cap.

The delusion is real folks. More of the Riven arrogance. Stomping with a freelo champ then thinking they are so skilled for being able to mash Q.

Riot should be nerfing sej, gragas, hecarim, irelia, nunu, kalista, and etc.

Why am I not surprised a Riven player wants Hecarim and Irelia nerfed. Especially Hecarim, one of the few champions who can utterly destroy Riven in lane then snowball hard and hard carry their team. If it wasn't for Hecarim, Riven would be the undisputed ruler of top lane. Hecarim destroying Riven is the sole reason I main him.

She needs to use flash to get near her opponents

Fix the E key on your keyboard.

I really hope this is just a joke post that is a parody of just how ridiculous Riven players are, thinking they have such high skill because their broken champ just shits on almost everyone by just facerolling QWER. Despite having the #1 winrate in top lane for ages, #1 pick rate in top lane it's never enough, they need to have 100% win rate, Riven should win every lane top. Picking Riven should automatically win them the game.

Hopefully more Riven nerfs are incoming. Jinx

SIayton5/7/2015, 5:01:42 AM4 votes

Burn in hell Riven players. summoner 14

VeggieBurger5/7/2015, 3:59:15 AM4 votes

it's barely a nerf. With the new black cleaver, riven doesnt need boots. she can just stack 40% CDR and have black cleaver and catch anyone. so the -5 MS makes sense. the R change im not really sure why, but i assume it is to make her ult not so much of a nuke

Strawberrycocoa5/7/2015, 3:57:28 AM3 votes

I agree, these aren't the nerfs she needs.

The best Riven nerf is to buff Teemo.

Sythriel Draken5/7/2015, 4:22:01 AM2 votes

I agree. They are going about these nerfs in the wrong way. her movement and projectile speed isn't the issue, what's the issue is the cooldown on her dash. They should really focus more on those champs seen in LCS like Leblanc, kat etc and make them have more counterplay to their kit than riven, who has not seen LCS play in IDK how long..

They should also buff Jayce seeing as they gave him a new skin to make him more appealing to purchase. I'm wanting to spend money on the skin, but right now, Jayce is in a mediocre spot in the enviroment.

EK Kimozzi5/7/2015, 4:25:27 AM2 votes

Did riot nerf any damages? dude come on. Riven already have q and e. ms nerf is needed. i saw udyr could not chase riven because she could spam qqq so fast and so often.

One Bind Morgana5/7/2015, 4:33:14 AM2 votes

Agreed, I can't see the reasoning behind these nerfs, honestly. She is neither a popular pick nor an effective one at the moment. I really think Riot is simply picking names out of a hat and applying random balance changes to those champions...

Ser Garland5/7/2015, 4:51:45 AM2 votes

We've been calling for Riven nerfs for a long time now. Sej, Hec, all those champs have been receiving buffs all year to try to find a place in quality picks. Riven has somehow been relevant all her life.

You know what's bullshit? beating a riven in lane, and not having any of that matter, because 40 percent cool down later, she can hyrule sword cancel halfway across the map and all in any squishy with an AD scaling shield. I don't think any other champion has an AD scaling shield. Why? Because it's ridiculously broken in concept and execution. Riven can just do so much more than any other champion with little drawback.

Darth Pixy Misa5/7/2015, 4:17:19 AM2 votes

With the number of rage quits Riven gets a month, a rework is a better idea for her. Keep her powerful for skilled ppl, but do something about the Snowball issues. Make riven have a use even if she is behind.

VeryGreen5/7/2015, 6:21:49 AM2 votes

This is probably the worst post NA. I was hoping you would have said some intelligent things within this long soul breaking post, but you didnt. She is used in competitive gaming, thats what solo que is. Riven can be kited but she has a stun thats like on a .00001 second CD. Also if you cant play a riven into a Teemo Fioraor an Irelia then maybe she isnt the champ for you :)

Rico Nasty5/7/2015, 3:59:39 AM2 votes

She needs a rework tbh. Her kit just clashes so much, it is pure mobility sprinkled with damage and slows. People always whined about how op she was, I think her kit is just poorly designed. No champion should have 4 escapes, 5 if you add flash.

FTMHukY4Ps5/18/2015, 10:55:53 PM2 votes

Riven did not need nerfs, and she IS high skillcap mechanically. If you don't know what you're doing you're worthless, if you do and you play smart you're broken. People just like to QQ over the resourceless assassins, and Riot caved.

Beertaster5/18/2015, 11:33:39 PM2 votes

MY problem is that all the nerfs to bring riven in line have made her extremely unforgiving to play. No sustain (regen is worst in the game), shield duration is halved, and now there is more "counter play" so riven can miss kills against lane opponents with sustain. That way they can heal up after flashing out of the execute, and win early on with either cs or killing her (because she can't heal between trades).

Diablo5/12/2015, 4:06:40 PM1 votes

Riven is already in a good place, the fact that they want to nerf her more is just another reason to justify calling her Q ability broken wings, because they essentially crushed her back and wings with her last nerfs and this meta. Riven is a very high skillcap champion with such simple counterplay to beat her, want to win vs riven? secret is: be a tank and don't feed her. her movement speed nerf, ok I understand that a little bit, but there's already so many champions who do similar amounts of damage and move just as fast that are even better in this meta. Udyr for example, moves just as fast as a riven with 40% CDR using abilities to move, but probably even faster. Her ult speed reduction is a joke, riven needs to be on top of you to all in you, and usually needs to flash or juke you in order to get on you without wasting half her abilities to get to you. Her ult can barely hit someone running, and what's the point in having a range to it if you're going to nerf the movement speed, so in practicality, when the speed matters is when you're using it at a range, and they're most likely running away if you're trying to execute them... but now you'll have like a 75% less chance to hit them because it'll be even slower. It's already not hard to outrun riven ults, it happens often and even more often when riven has to flash to hit it. For her ult to hit and be lethal, you're assuming that riven has won a trade with you, and with tank meta, that's much less likely to happen. Riven suffers late similarly to leblanc when teams group, and dies to any cc. Reducing the speed on her ult effectively reduces the effective range greatly, so now she's going to suffer more. If this champion absolutely needs to be nerfed again, because Riot no longer wants people to invest time into practicing high skill high reward champions, why not just play hecarim and do the same thing if not better, she needs to have her ult range increased somewhat greatly. If you're going to make a hard to play champion who suffers in lane vs most matchups, and has to be very good to just win skill matchups, you need to buff her in some way. If I go into a game, spend weeks learning riven, making sure I don't make any mistakes just to go on par with a matchup i should win? but then someone just plays a tank like garen and immediately wins hard even if I'm up 3 kills? that's a joke. There's so much wrong, but there is also some justice to the nerf, not that I still approve. There's a lot of things I wanted to say, but didn't say, so please if you have a problem with my post, reply to it and I'll be happy to answer back. Also I can't believe I almost forget to address her shield nerfs, if you're using her shield defensively, you're most like not running at them and are probably running away, and if they're shooting askill shot or medium speed ability, your shield is now going to be worthless. It's already been bad running from tower shots etc because if you shield away it already runs out before the abilities hit you, but not you need to be immediate with it, so use i to run, but you'll still get hit by any damage chasing you in air. Most importantly riven isn't even a champion you can pick into anyone or any lane, she has such a niche it's scary, her counter list is ridiculous. Want to play riven? well she gets countered by almost every tanky champion top lane, want to go her vs high damage champions? no mechanic champions like pantheon beat you anyway, want to play her vs the most optimal matchup? say high damage and squishy range people like gnar and vlad? well that only works if you flash or they misplay, they can play safe the whole game vs you. I would love to have an actualy intellectual conversation with rioters and players on this, I know this is very bm, but most players who hate her are low elo, vsing someone who is better than them. Riven is hard to play, and for the most part at a disadvantage when vsing an opponent of equal skill level, of course if she gets ahead she can carry lower elo games, anyone ahead can do that...I'm so annoyed I'm all over the place with this rant, so if you have a problem please address it with me and I'll be more than happy to debate this when I have time.

Cindikle5/7/2015, 4:32:51 AM1 votes

Honestly if they just make it so you can't cancel her Q into AA she'd lose a lot of damage and mobility without any number changes. If this nerfs her too much they can find other ways to buff her. Such as returning some of her Hp/5.

Overall I think a lot of animation canceling needs to go. It breaks the power of some champions and makes it so they're poor champions until you heavily learn them. Such as Lee's R->Flash.

If Riot wants to balance champions around higher levels of play. They also need to look at what makes that champion so much stronger at higher levels.

Alakay5/14/2015, 10:12:40 PM1 votes

I 100% agree with this post. Its fucking retarded how slow the windslash travels now. You can almost outrun it or out dash it anyway now with any champ with an escape. And like the article said she gets kited so easily and falls of late the only riven's got fed and carried games is because of outplay potential and skill now and before the nerf everything felt so smooth when you hit the right combo and finished them off with the ult nice and quick. Now it just feels clunky and fucked up i hate it. Also when people say "Lol riven doesn't take any skill just mash q and r and instakill people." I want everyone to know thats fucking bullshit never in the history of ever has it been that easy, shes squishy and has 0 lifesteal until you get several items like really are you that stupid?

Darth Pixy Misa5/7/2015, 4:37:41 AM1 votes

What if the best way to fix Riven was to Reduce her damage and make her tankier?

Boost her Hp regen to 5.7(.6 per level)

Decrease Broken Wings to 1st and 2nd deals 10/25/45/60/80 (+30/35/40/45/50% Attack Damage) physical damage to all units she comes in contact with. 3rd Use: Leaps forward and slams the ground dealing 10/25/45/60/80 (+30/35/40/45/50% Attack Damage) physical damage.

Buff Valor to Riven does a quick dash in the direction of your cursor and becomes shielded, blocking up to 90/120/150/180/210 (+100% bonus Attack Damage) incoming damage for 3 seconds.

AkabaneKun5/14/2015, 10:55:55 PM1 votes

Where in hell does riven fall off lategame lol, she is a beast lategame, the nerfs aren't even that bad and BC is actually pretty good vs those hard matchups.

Fancifulfire1/25/2016, 5:22:36 AM1 votes

Can they just nerf the CD on her ult in late game. In S6 (aka If you're not a champ that uses DFT, pick thunderlords) you take Thunder lords with the 5% cdr mastery. Then mid game-ish. I was fighting a Riven with average runes, normal masteries, and 45% CDR. She killed me with her ult that's practically a free BT worth of AD and a long width/range execute. Then about 20 seconds later I tp'd back into lane and she had it back. I just think that's stupid imo. =p

Dittothis7/4/2017, 8:59:08 AM1 votes

are you high? I've seen riven wreck more than half those counters... high skill base? riven is one of the lowest skillbased champs in LOL champions like lee'sin, elise and Azyr who are actually high skill base champs. the percentage increase of win rates for riven mains to first timers is like 0.2% whereas a champ like elise its about 5-6% and YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CALL HER A HIGH SKILL BASE CHAMPION... are you serious here? I've seen several first time rivens getting pentakills...the day Riot nerfs riven and yasuo as hard as they nerfed the old shaco (only recieved nerfs for 3 years) is the day they lose half their player base. its all these unskilled riven and yas mains.

alecas1/5/2016, 10:57:40 PM1 votes

pls man riven is now useless almost all the hot top cham can beat her.

i use to be a riven player but i stoped to play riven at the end of s5 because shes just too weak and ez to couter now

i wish riven can be more tank and make more damage on her skills like Q