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The removal of ancient coin is directly related to Cait's current dominance on bot lane

Voluug13·12/26/2019, 6:16:30 PM·4 votes·3,053 views

With Riot removing Ancient Coin and giving supports no similar alternative, almost every traditional support is being zoned out by Cait's insane range.

Trying to poke her for gold as an enchanter support means that she just blasts your face from outside your range.

Trying to execute minions as a tank support means she freely harrasses you and reduces viable changes for the tank support to engage on her without dying.

Either way, as a support you have no way to obtain gold without being harassed out of lane. Unless you play a kill lane with a mage support or one of Riot's favorite kids .

Caitlyn, and to a lesser degree Senna, is pretty much eliminating any potential lane interaction for her opponent support and denying the entire lane crucial warding and sight due to her denying/inhibiting said interactions that the evolving support items are based around. The removal of the ancient coin line means that the support has problems to even be a ward bot since they cant interact in lane and complete the quest without being harassed out of it.

And then, you have the fact that the game is pretty much centered around dragon all game, who cant be contested without vision, and you end up with a domino effect where Caitlyn is having way too much early impact that even an early adc should have.

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Hotarµ12/26/2019, 6:25:04 PM6 votes

With Riot removing Ancient Coin and giving supports no similar alternative, almost every traditional support is being zoned out by Cait's insane range.

Trying to poke her for gold as an enchanter support means that she just blasts your face from outside your range.

Caitlyn has been dominant for an incredibly long time so while Coin's removal may have boosted her up a bit, she was already performing incredibly well before then.

Either way, as a support you have no way to obtain gold without being harassed out of lane. Unless you play a kill lane with a mage support or one of Riot's favorite kids

Just as an aside, you know Coin was meta on Pyke, right? The only time he didn't take it was in lanes where his ADC would get poked incredibly hard to the point where he couldn't make plays, like Caitlyn lanes. That's why Pyke is in a much weaker spot compared to where he was before.

Illabethe12/26/2019, 6:31:27 PM5 votes

What's driving Caitlyn's dominance is that she was hard buffed through every single incarnation of Crit vs Lethality items over the last 3 years along with a couple arbitrary buffs. And when they reverted those items, they never reverted her buffs.

She's generally been over power budget for 3 years. However, it gets hidden by the fact that she's also easy for a lot of junglers to dive and destroy.

V9.18 ◾ Stats ◾ Base attack damage increased to 62 from 60.

V9.12 ◾ Stats ◾ Base attack damage increased to 60 from 58.

V9.10 ◾ Yordle Snap Trap ◾ Base damage increased to 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 from 40 / 90 / 140 / 190 / 240.

V9.6 ◾ Ace in the Hole ◾ Base damage increased to 300 / 525 / 750 from 250 / 475 / 700.

V8.24b ◾ Piltover Peacemaker ◾ Base damage increased to 50 / 90 / 130 / 170 / 210 from 30 / 70 / 110 / 150 / 190. ◾ Reduced damage beyond first enemy increased to 40% from 33%.

◾ Ace in the Hole ◾ Target range increased to 3500 at all ranks from 2000 / 2500 / 3000.

V8.13 - July 3rd Hotfix ◾ Headshot ◾ Champion headshot damage increased to 50 / 75 / 100% (based on level) (+ 125% critical strike chance) AD from 50% (+ 100% critical strike chance) AD. ◾ Non-champion headshot damage increased to 100% (+ 125% critical strike chance) AD from 100% (+ 100% critical strike chance) AD.

^ Was when they converted item 3031 to True damage. That buff is STILL AROUND.

V8.9 ◾ Headshot ◾ Bonus damage to non-champions changed to 100% (+ 100% (+ Infinity Edge item 25%) critical strike chance) AD from 150% AD.

^Looks like rebalancing but with item 3508 being back to a crit item, it's a major buff, giving a built Caitlyn a 225% AD Headshot that can ALSO CRIT

And No. None of these buffs were to compensate anything Caitlyn's lost. They are more than DOUBLE the ratios she had for her first 4 years of play. She's literally getting buffed purely because of her immobility, and being an old champ.

Metal Janna12/26/2019, 6:50:52 PM2 votes

Was going to point out that Coin supports can just go Relic now but that's not really an option for melee supports now is it? Cait will just poke you down without even entering CC range. And yeah I know well how hard it is to lane against Cait as an enchanter. Anything you can do she has an answer for: Trade with shield? She autos twice in the time you auto once. Good job wasting mana for an even HP trade. CC her? She just uses E to create enough distance that it means nothing, and blasts you in the face for trying. Somehow it's not okay for enchanters to reactively nullify attacks but it's totally okay for a marksman to reactively nullify eating CC. Even playing safe won't work because eventually one of you will get nailed by her support... and there's no such thing as not being in follow up range for Caitlin.

A disgusting champion all around.

Skia Asteri12/26/2019, 8:01:47 PM2 votes

MissFortune item 1055 is statistically better than Caitlyn . The direct match up is slightly and moves closer to 50-50 when examining higher ELOs (but does not become Caitlyn even by Masters+). is generally more likely to win the game given any particular match up, and is not as bad when in the unfavorable match up (which in most cases are also bad match ups for Caitlyn , but MF fairs better against them).

It just seems like Caitlyn is dominate because she is more popular at lower elos. It is worth pointing out MissFortune is about equal in pick rate (sightly higher on the site I am looking at, but not meaningfully so) than Caitlyn once you get to Masters+.

RavenMagus12/26/2019, 8:50:39 PM2 votes

It's less Caitlyn being able to poke down melee supports (she's been able to do that since forever) and more that Caitlyn does insane amounts of damage especially when following up any sort of CC at all from her support.

chipndip112/26/2019, 9:54:41 PM1 votes

Or maybe: Support items losing mana/hp sustain on top of nerfing Doran's Shield for ranged users when people already had enough trouble remembering it existed means a bully that scales late like Caitlyn is gonna live her best life

Coin has nothing to do with Cait. We weren't using that item ever since Riot stopped the bullshit with its insane gold gen, anyway.