I thought mages and AP assassins are supposed to be played in mid as AP not in top as tanks. Tank 
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were nerfed in the past because of this. But now balance team did the opposite for 
. They heavily nerfed her AP ratios and buffed her base damages. Does balance team have any clue what are they doing?
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I want to be entirely honest: I used to love Karma...... even into Season 7 and early 8.... until they destroyed Celerity (removing AP for move speed) and then Nimbus Cloak.
Why did I care so much about move speed items?
In the current meta, Karma just is proving impossible to do anything but Q and E. If you try to use W and go tanky, you generally are underperforming unless you are fulfilling a specific purpose: Putting a top lane behind 2-3 levels through early game poke (which doesn't even always result in kill income).
Celerity/Nimbus allowed you to use her as a juking offtank which replaced tankiness with mobility. Now..... her E mobility isn't near as useful, and her AP building is so weak it generally isn't useful for much other than RQ poking bot lane 4-5 times before lane phase ends.
Building pure tank proves to be poor at clearing waves, and isn't strong enough anymore to tank pursuers in large numbers. Mid/Late game, it just doesn't stop aggression. (Two champions can now negate tank Karma's W/building tank. It used to be able to tank 4-5 people and survive and scale fast enough to do so)
In other words, I no longer see her as an offtank. I no longer see her as a tank. I no longer see her as a viable mage. She's just .... weak in all areas and her win rate performance is now completely driven by her team's performance, not what SHE does.
Which sucks. She has new beautiful skins.
For some reason it seems like Riot thinks that out of Top/Mid/Support Mid is the most abusive because "AP scalings are bad."
So while this was probably just meant as a Support buff, they just end up buffing Tank as well since it's really the base value damage that makes her so oppressive top lane. It's frustrating, because mid Karma is my jam but it's so much harder ever since they gutted the AP ratio on her Q. Feelsbadman
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I don't get it.
They say she is supposed to be a battlemage, but make her main damage tool to be an artillery-burst spell, gave her tankstat scalings and buff her as if she is a support exclusively. Everything revolves around her E...
Karma is loved for her flexibility, yet they actively ruined her AP scalings because was is too flexible (???). She already scaled badly, yet Meddler claims that AP Karma was problematic. Not the Tank Karma cheese? Not the perma AoE shield/haste caster you made her? Okay, maybe I get that a champion that has 80% of her damage throttled into one projectile is bad, but maybe that's because YOU made her like that in 5.10?
Actually, I think Karma should be about duality and decision making. The balance team either has no guidance or understanding for her flavour, and thus end up making a dangerously bland champion blander with every touch.
Of course every champion will be balanced if the exactly same kit, whith 1 damage spell, 1 mobility spell and 1 cc spell & 1 huge damage thingy every 1-2min. But a game like this would quickly lose the interest of everyone. Making champion bland might make them more balanced instantly, but is the most boring and unimaginative way of fixing things.
TL;DR I feel like the balance team has too little guidance on how to retain identity, flavour and direction.
Watching any game with a Karma top last season was so blah. She never did anything that justified why they would even pick her in pro play. Maybe they want to see even MORE of that this season.
Because people say there is too much damage in the game
Balance team just throws shit at the wall and sees what sticks. My favorite was when they said they're nerfing Qiyana W because of her power in the jungle, you know, the least popular role for her aside from bot lane. Not the main problem of her clearing waves quickly and then being able to roam and not lose CS, it's her jungle attack speed that's the problem. Riot balance team is 4heading as hard as they can
Felt the same when I saw patch notes. They think it buffs her for support but at this point in balancing it is pretty obvious they think they have a clue but really don't
Something something 200 years of expect
Because Riot simply does not know what to do with Karma, and they don't seem to want to rework her again.
I can only assume they're buffing her more viable playstyle, buffing her base damage, but in turn gutting her full AP mage but botlane support style she has.
Cause AP karma one shots ADC’s and they don’t like that.
Karma got sky high base dmg and you want ratio's? Just build like a regular support, nothing will change.
Don’t forget they also buffed base shielding. So, you know tank Karma’s even harder to kill.
If they wanted to buff support while making sure tank Karma never rears it’s ugly head they could’ve changed they way Karma’s current RW scaling works similar to what they did to hurt tank .
Or they could’ve done a ratio buff, increasing her shielding AP ratio moderately while taking down its base damage a tad for compensation.
Or ask the community, but as a former Karma main let me tell you, that wouldn’t have gone anywhere. Sadly.
I don’t really know what’s going on with riot and their balancing philosophy on Karma.
They claim to want to hurt tank karma, so they attack her AP ratios, the thing that no tank relied on to tank damage. Then they claim they hit Karma too hard and want to give her general power, but they buff her shields... meaning generally speaking she’s only better at blocking damage. Then they claim they want to help support Karma, so they buff her damage... I don’t really know what they’re smoking at this point.
For the same reason support Tahm Kench got gutted instead of toplane Tahm Kench, because they are a bunch of apes having no idea how to actually balance but then again, how can you balance the game if you haven't experienced even the 10% of its frustration
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shouldnt ever be buffed* karma is .... im not ranting
Why was Karma buffed when she is a cancer champ who is already good?
back to the horror it was 
just cause bigger base dmg
Karma could be reworked anyway.
She lacks of cc for a support and some killing potential for a mid laner.
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I thought mages and AP assassins are supposed to be played in mid as AP not in top as tanks. Tank
Because lanes should be balanced by xp/gold filters by champion class instead of futile champ number tuning. Get adc's out of top and mid lane, and mages out of bot lane.
