A Question to Players Who are Toxic to Teammates Who Aren't Doing Good

Spider Chief·7/27/2015, 12:59:02 AM·78 votes·6,482 views

In what universe do you live in where berating your teammates for a mistake is going to help them improve and do better? What do you hope to gain from that?

I'm all for constructive criticism. If I walk into an unwarded brush and get killed, I'd appreciate it if you say "you shouldn't face check, make sure to buy some wards". But instead, players' thought process is "hmm, I know, lets call him a fucking piece of shit encrusted baddie, that'll make him improve!"

Is this a QQ thread after a bad game? Maybe. But I just fail to see the logic in being toxic.

125 Comments

ilt7/27/2015, 1:22:54 AM20 votes

I try to help them, but they yell at me because they think I'm being bossy and annoying.

djjomon7/27/2015, 4:19:50 AM10 votes

Another question, when was the last time you won a game where you were harassing a teammate?

I'm also loving the excuses people are making for being toxic

Prospector Pete7/27/2015, 12:59:55 AM8 votes

I have no idea why people are toxic. Maybe it makes them feel better?

KVbqbFsC8e7/27/2015, 1:35:22 AM6 votes

In what World does getting super defensive, raging, and threatening reports over me calling an 0/8 teammate bad help? Some people just need to accept the fact that it isn't an insult, and the first step they can take towards getting better is admitting they are bad.

Lowvyr7/27/2015, 5:35:08 AM5 votes

I don't say shit to you Until you say shit to me If you are toxic to ME You're getting a fucking ass whooping

And enemies, if you BM my teammates. I will kick your ass. Even if I'm not agreeing with my teammates. NO ONE messes with the people I'm trying to carry.

a brick7/27/2015, 3:10:27 PM4 votes

The answer here has two parts:

First of all, calling teammates pieces of shit for not buying wards serves not to make them better, it serves to vent anger at teammates who don't buy wards; it is more of an act of catharsis than it is anything else.

Second of all, there is not a single player in all of league of legends who will listen to constructive criticism, without getting defensive and accusing the criticizer of being toxic or overly holier than thou.

Swollwonder7/27/2015, 1:45:15 AM4 votes

Usually mine are more like "going to gank heim? tell me how that goes"

enemy double kill

yup I called that

KilljoyX7/27/2015, 1:04:43 AM4 votes

Is it because you fight against an enemy as a group and the military does that in training when you screw up?

Randomonium7/27/2015, 7:21:12 PM3 votes

Because most of the toxic people in this game have no life outside of this game, have not accomplished anything of significance during their time on this earth, and generally only exist so they can steal happiness from people who make more mistakes than them in a video game.

ThePsychoticDave7/27/2015, 1:07:28 AM3 votes

Which one of you was a marksman at ten?

Azarcón7/27/2015, 4:17:37 AM3 votes

Well, holding their hand isn't gonna help. Of course peoples attitude is gonna change if you are 10/1 vs being 1/10. You can't expect people to say "it's alright good try" after every time you get picked off or something. What I think is even worse is if the person that isn't doing well claims "maybe if you helped once or twice we wouldn't be this bad". It isn't someone else's job to win your lane as stated previously.

Reaper Soraka7/27/2015, 4:56:35 AM3 votes

Call me a troll on Janna after I make a couple mistakes. I dare you.

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Anotherherolost7/27/2015, 7:06:41 AM3 votes

Why are you even typing outside of base? Why are you letting your commands get blocked by the chatbox when you're on the battlefield? You know who usually doesn't flame? People on winstreaks. Why are you even risking putting your own teammate on tilt? YOU ARE ALWAYS DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD BY FLAMING. When has telling you're top laner hes complete garbage EVER HELPED. It is complete insanity. I understand puberty is hard but just shut the fuck up and play.

Naomi CoffeeGoat7/27/2015, 10:54:32 AM3 votes

These posts seem to pretty much be broken records. Same threads upvoted, players don't change, the community shall remain toxic as usual.

zangager7/27/2015, 7:38:14 AM2 votes

Sadly, the intelligence of the human race seems to be diminishing.

t3hJimmer7/27/2015, 7:58:45 AM2 votes

ITT; Toxic players make excuses fro their poor behavior...

Narasimha7/27/2015, 4:51:27 AM2 votes

By the by, the correct statement would be "A question to players who are toxic to teammates who aren't doing well."

That's all, carry on.

Simplicate7/27/2015, 11:46:23 AM2 votes

I can't give you any first hand knowledge because I'm certainly not one of these said assholes but I can give my insight from a recent experience.

So I was playing ranked last night and I decided to jungle as usual. My teams picks were Fizz mid, Chogath top, Caitlyn adc, me jungle Udyr and Nautilus support. Enemy team was Garen Lux Warwick Vayne and Blitzcrank To be honest I felt as though we we could easily win this game with the amazing picks we had but got disappointed as the game started. Cho was afk and immediately everyone lost their shit, I myself thinking nothing of it as he wasn't in the center of the fountain (which means the player is dc'd). I tell everyone we will be fine and just play. Fizz gives up first blood and then says "report this cho" and continues to say this every time he dies in his OWN lane. Now as a jungler you dont just sit in the AFKers lane you just merely check the waves and shove them before jungling again. I do this and pick up a kill on top lane and soon after cho is back. Fizz sees this and says "fuck you cho", just out of rage I assume. By this time FIzz is like 0/6 and 2 levels under his lane because he keeps trying to roam. I tell him to just farm but he just comes back at me with "stfu dumbass" I don't respond but give him buffs when he asks in hopes he will listen to me down the line. We later get to mid game and we lose a team fight or two and the moral is a bit low now. Fizz yaps up again but not at cho this time, he's aiming at our support now saying crap like "where the fuck is your sight stone naut" to which he responds "as if that matters to you". Fizz gets caught our a few more times and is 3/10 now. The bit about the sight stone was the last thing he said before the game ended about 5-6 mins later.

I just see this sort of trend in various matches I play in. Someone will fuck up and then another person will fuck up but as long as Mr. Toxic FEELS as though he isn't fucking up more than you then he thinks he has free reign to bad mouth and bm. The game is still freshly on op.gg if anyone wants to check it out.

jaymc11307/27/2015, 1:32:36 PM2 votes

If you walk into an unwarded bush I'll tell you "don't face check". The second time you do it I will tell you "dude... we talked about that". The third time you do it its intentional trolling and you will be merciless berated and reported for trolling in an intentional fashion and deservedly so. Don't troll. You won't get flamed...

Feathermane7/27/2015, 1:49:49 PM2 votes

Do you know what matchmaking is? Playing matchmade games means you are playing with people who know as much about the game as you. Unless you are asked about a feature of the game explicitly, i.e. "I haven't played in a month, what does new item x do and should I build it on Jayce?", consider yourself as having nothing valuable to add.

In addition, all of the supposed advice players have to offer is of the general sort, and the informational content is known to anyone above level 8. All you hear since starting to play is "don't overextend, ward, group, get vision on Baron" etc. So there is a very good reason to assume anyone giving unrequested advice is just being critical or, in the best case, condescending. Refrain from critiquing everyone else's gameplay, tyvm.

Just Blame Jenny7/27/2015, 2:18:04 PM2 votes

The thing is, chewing out teammates never helps. You don't need to make them feel bad. If they're legitimately trying and then they screw up, they probably already feel bad. If anything, you should be trying to make them feel better, so they maintain their confidence and don't throw the game.

When giving teammates advice, it helps to be non-accusatory about it, and couch the bad remarks with the good if you can. People tend to go on the defensive when they're called out on their mistakes. It's just human nature.

Consider the scenario where your jungler tries to gank a healthy enemy for you when you're out of lane -- and predictably drops the ball. You could give them some advice in one of two ways:

Don't gank for me when I'm out of lane!
Good attempt. Next time wait until I'm here, and we'll get them!

Both convey exactly the same information, and from the perspective of anyone looking in from the outside, both look perfectly fine. However, the former is more likely to sound like harsh criticism to someone that's just made a mistake, and thus is more likely to be ignored. The latter, on the other hand, keeps your teammate's confidence up and makes them feel like a part of the group. They're more likely to cooperate with you if you take that route.

A final cautionary word: take care to ensure you don't give your teammates advice that's overwhelmingly obvious to them. Do so, and they're likely to feel patronized and shut you out. By way of example, I was recently in a game where one of my teammates was towerdived and ganked. This was their third death in lane, so someone "helpfully" instructed them to hug the tower from them on. Good advice, to be sure, but with one problem: that player had already been hugging the tower for the past few minutes! Consequently, that player felt condescended to and proceeded to shut out any further advice that may've actually been useful.

tl;dr

Toxicity loses games. Be positive, respect and support your teammates, and everyone's likely to cooperate better overall.

Troll for Trump7/27/2015, 5:51:02 AM2 votes

I won't be nice to a player who says "gg im done", trolls with a duoqueu premade before the game even starts, by locking in jinx and ashe "duo bot" with clarity. Then they run into the turret the whole game because they didn't get mid and top. The jinx then just buys two sight wards and afks at base the rest of the game and saying no to every ff. http://imgur.com/a/BhBAm

ofc I get reported and punished by the automated system rite. False reporting Op kappa. I wasn't even toxic really, just asked them to stop feeding a bunch of times, and they just kept being smartasses and being douches anytime everyone died. SO I told them to stfu and mtued them.. The last one I was kinda a douche, but the Diana kept telling everyone to go kill themselves and burn in hell the whole game, and I really don't want to deal or be compared with these people. These types of players are ones that should be chat restricted.

Reynard the ƒox7/27/2015, 6:38:07 AM2 votes

It's an ego thing. If they can call attention to your mistakes, maybe no one will notice theirs.

Stark60007/27/2015, 7:13:31 PM1 votes

If the elo system is working as it should, nobody is any better than and thus has no right to comment on your playstyle.