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Of Scuttle Crabs and Diversified Portfolios

Lil Peeto·5/23/2018, 5:31:48 PM·2 votes·949 views

I'll start by stating why I love to jungle. I love it precisely because of the options it gives you. If you want to farm, sure, you can do that. If you want to gank you can do that too. If you want to harass the enemy jungler and put them behind, yes, you can do that too. When one of those things becomes 'the meta' is when the role becomes stale, and bad for the game. However, in a zero sum game where gold is king, and the best way to deny your opponent is killing them, ganking will never go away. This is a core design of the genre, so stop trying to 'deal with it'. The only jungle meta I actually despise is the counter jungle meta. It's boring for EVERYONE, and oppressive for exactly one person that didnt pick nunu or shaco. Not every jungler is an early duelist, in fact very few are. Which brings me to the crabs...

What does the scuttle change set out to do? Well, you say it's to increase diversity and force jungler interaction... well not all junglers can fight that early, and some are more team fight oriented and cant really fight alone at all, so they cant be played at any serious capacity unless you want to have laners babysit them throughout.

What does it actually do? It seems, not only to limit champion diversity, but player choice as well. Less exp across the board on camps is maybe the worst decision you've made in the jungle. I like the crab idea, but there wouldnt be the 'crab meta' meme if you %%%%s just fucking let junglers have real exp income holy fucking shit. I get that getting ganked early sucks, BUT HOLY SHIT YOU KNOW ITS COMING, THE JUNGLERS HAVE SAME PATH EVERY GAME. If you're going to make changes based of people not properly reacting to very obvious situations then your game is no longer competitive. Now, if there are certain outliers who become extremely oppressive extremely early, dela with THEM and them alone.

4 Comments

D0GE KING5/23/2018, 5:50:54 PM1 votes

The crab meta only just started, and I've barely played enough games to feel I understand the goal so far (climbing back to diamond right now), but it's pretty fun so far. If you REALLY despise it, try playing a different champion. But, as it stands, I think it's bringing in a healthy balance of team play currently.

In my previous game, I shoved in the first 2 waves as adc, then took crab with my support level 2. Throughout the game, crab is just a mini objective for your team to rally around but not so important that losing it costs you the game. In the end, warding and vision are way more important than what you consider the zero sum jungle game. In reality, (I mean technically it's not zero-sum but it's somewhat close), I don't think it's a zero sum game because you can be making plays and applying pressure elsewhere if you have vision of the enemy jungler in a location where he cannot respond to you.

It's a weird and new change, but I don't think it's bad as a whole.

Lil Peeto5/23/2018, 7:11:25 PM1 votes

The game is zero sum by it's very nature. And to win you have to play around that. I'm not asking for jungle to have a large exp boost, I'm asking for real experience that isnt tied to a camp that almost kills 90% of the cast early, or a crab that risks you dying for trying to get it. And of you die in this meta during your first clear, unless you're against glue sniffers you're game is over. You will have zero impact all game. Qnd dont tell me to pick a different champ. I want complaining that the champ i use doesnt cut it, I'm stating that the change is bad for diversity overall and extremely bad for the life of each game. This isnt a positive change, it could have been, but instead of just changing the crabs, they killed all jungle exp. And yes, you as a laner can take the fucking crab and give YOURSELF a gold boost, but that takes exp your jungler needs, or it takes it from theirs. You can already steal any camp you want, that has never changed but it should. Laners should not benefit from the jungle AT ALL until like 4 minutes or some shit. Early jungle is too precious atm for anyone to take any amount of your mobs. I had a shyvanna literally shut out of her jungle almost completely once I killed her. Literally useless, severely underleved and underfarmed. Could not gank, could not take any objectives. That's not ok all at. And that's exactly what will happen every single game.