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Unpopular opinion:Conqueror isn't the main reason Cassiopeia is broken

SpherezTheMan·1/30/2020, 4:25:44 PM·10 votes·10,020 views

Cass main here. As the title says,i don't think conqueror is the main reason she's so insanely broken.Sure it makes her overbearing but what makes her broken is a combination of other things.

First,let's talk about Presence of mind.So basically,for each kill it gives you 100 mana with a cap limit of 500.I honestly don't know why this rune was changed,as it offers way too much and synrgyses too well with Seraph's.That 100 mana when you get a kill really makes a difference for me in the laning phase.Besides that,it also restores 20% of your maximum mana for a kill,which is really useful for pushing the minion wave after an early kill.

Then there is legend tenacity.One of Cassiopeia's weaknesses was always cc,since she can't buy mercury tread's and this rune negates that weakness.There have been countless time's where i survived because of this rune and it really constributes to cassiopeia's current strenght

Lastly,there is the W change made a while ago.Basically,they removed the minimal cast range on her W ,while nerfing the range,radius and slow with it. I don't know what Riot was thinking with this change,because Cass was completely fine back then,she didn't need any changes. I honestly believe this is one of the main reasons she's so broken rn. Her weakness was always close range and this change removed that.Whenever an assasin or other champions jump on you,just press W on them and they're a sitting duck.It honestly feels unfair most of the time because of how easy it is to kill them like that.In my opinion,the old W was much more healthier and had much more counterplay than now.This is also the reason she's picked more on top lane,a lane where she doesn't belong.

Im predicting there will be Cass nerfs soon and i hope Riot doesn't make her unplayable and make mindless decisions like we've seen many times before with other champions. Here are some nerf suggestions:

-Make mages unable to use or nerf conqueror.This change will make her unable to pick the Precision tree and therefore,she won't be able to pick Presece of mind and Legend tenacity

-Revert the miasma change.This will fix many of her issues especially in toplane and will add more counterplay to her.

-If that doesn't work(which i doubt it won't) then nerf either her early . She's supposed to be a scaling champion

These nerfs mostly fix the problems she has right now and will add much more counterplay to her. Tell me what you guys think about this.

31 Comments

Ragnaveil1/30/2020, 5:01:43 PM7 votes

The problem is how much healing Twin Fang's spam gives her on top of Conq's healing, but now i'll say it right now: Rav hunter healing on her is probably what breaks her harder. If she could lose more mana from spamming it willy nilly (same should apply to Ryze EQ bullshit), then there would be some counterplay to it. Right now, she can just spam away without a care in the world because of Tear and Cata passive when she takes damage.

XJ999999999999991/30/2020, 4:44:59 PM5 votes

remove conq

the Anarchit3cht1/30/2020, 9:44:36 PM4 votes

Unpopular opinions it is not. Factually incorrect it is.

Voluug131/30/2020, 8:01:26 PM4 votes

Is Cassio even really ''broken''?

Yes she is good, but she isnt even top 5 midlaners to start calling her ''broken''. There are no stats that show that she is out of line. Her highest winrate is 50-51%, for fuck's sake. She has clear and exploitable weaknesses.

There are literally some 10 or so midlaners that way stronger that she is, starting by like 80% of the assassin pool. She and Malz are about the only mages that are anywhere near relevant in midlane right now.

QuZeed YT1/31/2020, 7:02:50 AM2 votes

Deleted "Unpopular opinion" from the title, because every fucking player who played against Cassiopeia knows that Conqueror isn't the problem

Caretaker Jack1/30/2020, 11:50:59 PM2 votes

She has access to those secondary runes because of conq...

Lorenz Hellman1/31/2020, 12:04:55 AM2 votes

revert runes

Exodus2472/1/2020, 2:54:45 AM1 votes

If what you are saying is an unpopular opinion, either you are being yelled at by idiots who have just started playing league and/or have just started abusing cassio, or trennd riders who again, dont know what the fuck they are talking about and hating conq because 'duh it heals fer dmg done and she do lots dmg hurdur', and that actually makes me really sad to see that these are the people riot cater to, and not the people with actual arguments or the mains of these champs like yourself OP. God help us all

Bultz1/30/2020, 11:34:03 PM1 votes

This is a joke right? Conquerors is the reason? Not her broken attack speed? not her over done slows and CC? lol bruh.

LordForrest1/31/2020, 1:38:23 AM1 votes

I mean even without Conqueror she could still take Presence of Mind and Legend Tenacity. So not really seeing how that would make a difference if what you are saying is true.

She could take Electrocute or Dark Harvest, Taste of Blood, whichever of the vision ones she wants, Ravenous Hunter and then take Presence of Mind and Legend Tenacity as her secondary. Sure, the keystones aren't the optimal choice, but they aren't the worse either and Taste of Blood adds even more healing.

Śhunpo1/31/2020, 3:27:18 AM1 votes

Her W is high-key bullshit.

Posui Gart1/31/2020, 11:10:18 AM1 votes

To be honest all those Precision runes are only working because Conqueror is good on her. And Conqueror is good on her because she stacks it ridiculously fast. Nobody is supposed to get Conqueror stacked over a single short trade. Would be nice to rework it so that you can't get more than 2 stacks per second. Miasma change made her good against melee all-ins, which I think is ok, but can probably be unfair in mid-late teamfights, considering that the only other counter to her in fights are long-ranged mages and she can now outsustain their damage with conq healing. If nothing else works, making a Bramble Vest GW passive work on spells could solve this problem.

Kiwi Lemonade1/31/2020, 12:09:22 PM1 votes

Its hard for me to hate on her because while she is overbearing at times, she is the only half-decent mage today that can stand up against assassins, and it is solely because of W. The top 10 mid champs for the last... two years+ have been Assassins and maybe specific assassin counters, like Malz and Cass. I think reverting W will put her back on the shelf in highest tier level games, where she was good just not good enough to get over that hurdle to be on a winning team comp in pro play. If she stays this strong she will be, and is currently picked in pro. Maybe thats a bad thing idk.

She was always decent before the conqueror era, but fluttered around 49-50.5% winrate - with a weird niche of dps mage that Ryze typically did better, outranged by other mages before she could get to them, and got bursted down by Assassins that could dodge all of her kit.

You could easily just change conqueror to provide the adaptive force over time after entering/staying in combat with an enemy champion(s). That way certain champions with spammables couldn't cheese the rune and get instant 10 stacks, because its being used as psuedo-burst rune with insane heals that favors spells not autos. Bruisers would still like the rune, and it could get a buff to favor champions that need to be frontliners, not dps mages.

*even with all the great precision tree selections, I still think Conq is the thing that tips Cass from really good to borderline-overpowered. Watching high level Cass streams and I see many popular mid lane picks still go toe-to-toe with her, but every time as soon as she gets to 10 Conq stacks, she wins the fight.

Starcraft243ver1/31/2020, 1:29:07 PM1 votes

-Make mages unable to use or nerf conqueror.This change will make her unable to pick the Precision tree and therefore,she won't be able to pick Presece of mind and Legend tenacity

Why couldn't she take presence of mind and legend tenacity as her two secondary runes tree if she does not need conqueror ???