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Is Riven gonna stay like that for long?

RTX Warnoise··4 votes·1,246 views

I don't know how many times people posted qq threads about Riven, some people say you have to build armor to counter her which is not really a solution. Well no. You might have a chance vs riven only when she is used by a terribad player. All what riven has to do is rush brutalizer then stomps you without any hope of escape from the stuns, knockups, dashes.....

How the hell is Riot leaving a champion with: A dash, a knock up, a shield ( that scales with fucking atk dmg), a stun, a steroid and an AoE ulti that does huge amount of dmg, like that without even 1 weakness that other champions might exploit. She literally has no counter. Even Vayne, Alistar, or any other popular anti melee champion has no chance vs her mobility.

Riot, normally a champion with high mobility shouldnt have any type of cc or lower dmg than the other champion without mobility skills to balance out its set.

Riven is too strong and very annoying to play against. Please tone down her dmg a bit to make up for her high utility.

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Cale0175 votes

I never thought I'd be around to be saying something like this, but pal you should have seen Riven back in my day. The Riven there is now is a shadow of what she used to be in late season 3 and early season 4, when I was also maining her. If you didn't get first blood at level 1 you were considered a bad Riven back then.

Her Q used to deal much more damage.

Her shield used to last much longer.

Her ult used to give a bit more bonus.

Her regen got cut by about 45%.

Her base damages were lowered.

She went through a crippling series of nerfs specifically meant to weaken her early game so Riven players had to work more to hit that snowballing point. And you know what happened? For a long time she was considered nerfed too far and had been broken in a bad way. People stopped playing her, all except the dedicated Riven mains. And you know what happened then? They started realizing that while you aren't going to get any level 1 kills with her, she was every bit as viable as she used to be provided you worked for it.

Riven snowballs hard, and she can be a force to be reckoned with if she gets fed. But the only time a Riven is going to get that fed is if your team has been feeding her those kills because I can assure you, from personal experience, that it is NOT as easy to get her snowballing as it once was.

If you need help playing against her? Learn her. Learn her in and out. That's hands down the best way to learn how to beat a champion in this game, not by watching what they do but by knowing how they play. She's all about mobility and smart positioning, and about interweaving her passive procs in and between her Qs, and Ws to deal as much damage in as little time as possible. She is by no means broken, either positively or negatively, you just don't know how to play against her.

Make her waste her abilities so she's waiting for them to cool down and punish her with she overextends, which is incredibly easy for her to do considering that her entire kit will push a wave even if she doesn't want to while she's going for you.

Dodge her Qs.

Stay away from her immediate area if you haven't seen her use her W in the last five seconds.

If she wants to turret dive you, make her work for it by moving behind your tower, giving her no straight way to get directly back out without having to move through your jungle because she'll have already popped both her dash and her Qs trying to get to you as quickly as possible. Makes her easy jungle food.

Saianna2 votes

Riven after heavy nerfs is still strong. Why?

  • all her skills base on AD, which means both her damage and shield get only stronger
  • even though she's melee AD she doesn't even need to AA R>E>Q>Q>Q>E>W+Hydra = champion has been slain.
  • she still has alot of mobility (5s on dash + shield)
  • displacement + stun
  • lastly het ultimate is AOE, which kills any squishy targets below 50%~ hp + adds %AD bonus.

She's too much to handle. Even if she fails snowballing, she can get some easy kills.

Cale0172 votes

If you've pushed up your lane so far that she can get off that entire combo, that's YOUR fault. Not Riven being overpowered. You made yourself vulnerable to her entire kit by pushing up when you hadn't seen her use any of her abilities lately, meaning that they were more than likely off cooldown and ready to completely destroy you. Learn how to bait out her abilities so you can punish her for being overconfident by dealing damage when she can't return any.

Her ultimate does not kill any squishy targets below 50% HP unless she's significantly fed, and would only be at that point if an entire team was feeding her. The kill range for her ult is closer to 30% of their health, or at least it should be if she isn't 25/2/6 or some other godly high KDA.

Her stun is easy to keep away from, her displacement is easy to dodge if you know what you're doing and how she moves. And in most cases a Riven will blow a few of her Qs just to get close enough to land the stun if you keep your distance. That means she now doesn't have any ability to run away, and much of her damage potential has been used up just to close the gap.

The only reason you're saying she's too much to handle is because you haven't calmed down and ever really thought, or properly applied, any methods to handle her.

Saianna1 votes

So if i can't push because her kit prevents me from doing so, then top lane is stale. Also her abilities are all on quite low cooldowns.

And please.. don't forget her ult has 2 perks in it: 1.) deals increased dmg depending on enemy champion %hp missing (A'la Garen ult, but AOE) 2.) adds bonus %AD

So yeah she really can kill squishy targets with 50% hp~~. Ofc that happens when her armor pen nullifies low armor of squishes (around 30-40). And most Rivens also buy Last whisper.

Let's be honest: You are Riven fan, i'm not. I like to play her, I know her kit, but maybe because i see world behind her i can say "she's still too strong". For you it's easy to dodge her Q, stun, maybe even R. But that's because you've played her countles of times. For rest of us she's champion that punishes you just for staying in the same lane. Also you know, not all champions have dash or blinks or other movement boosts, so keeping distance often means burning your flash.

PrinceArchie2 votes

I've become perhaps too fond of another "unpopular" top lane champ fiora. Reason she is unpopular is similar snowball potential to Riven, just not as much of an annoying kit or bully in lane. My first matchup against a top lane riven this season as fiora I remember vividly. I was very aware of her snowball potential, in fact I dreaded it because I realized much as you do that at anytime she can get going. Something about the ease of snowballing this preseason whether you choose to split push all game or end up getting 3 kills because the enemy is just bad at team fights irks me. But I digress I had that in mind and my goal was to shut her down and be more of a presence.

Laning against her I knew I had to watchout for her kit because quite frankly she will out trade me if I went in headstrong. So sort of knowing her mechanics already I used the tactics CAL mentioned and the outcomes were pretty spot on as he said. Rivens at least in our elo ( I took the liberty to see that you are Silver 3, im Silver 4) are "cocky", they think they can be oppressive with their offensive kit to no end. So I baited her Q's. Admittingly I have no mastered fiora the way I should, I rarely use my second Q to disengage to a far away creep, plus I like conserving my Mana for greater kill potential. So I merely csed, slightly extending into her range, parrying Her inital q's when I could and proceeding to back out. I made sure I was under my turret and my csing under turret has improved vastly so I wasn't concerned about that. Due to being able to do that I was able to use my E and Q to engage on her when her Q's were ultimately down.

Junglers in our elo tend to be unreliable as well so I don't really recall any impactful ganks but I ended up killing her once I had my 6. Im not sure what TOP lane squishy you use against Rivens so I can't really evaluate your options but being able to CS under turret is a universal skill that every player should learn because it's a great tool used for zoning the enemy and free turret shots. Being all-ined again as a fiora I may have an advantage over your preferred top laner, my Blade Waltz (R) is great in 1v1's and even 2v1's usually ensuring me a kill along side my W, E and Q. Riven is a scary menace but you're gonna have to be more confident in your champ pool and really have premeditated options versus your matchups. 9/10 players will play a "optional" way. Using famous tactics, builds, skill paths, etc. So in a great sense very popular champs especially are highly predicable in their moves.

If you know when to capitalize on their weakest points, even albeit relatively short windows of time, you'll vastly improve. As someone who is falling in love with champs like Fiora realizing I like hard engages and singling out targets with massive CC or burst I'm trying to expand my champ pool to more assassins to fit top lane. Figure out your strengths and preferred play-style, every play-style most definitely has champs which are great picks in a Meta. Finding your style is the first step to great success, the second step is widening your pool and working on your individual mechanics. Play in your element.

Cale0171 votes

See? This guy gets it.

Cale0171 votes

If it's stale, she also isn't pushing towards you. Meaning that you call your jungler up when you're ready to take her down, preferably after you bait out her ult and make her waste it. Her abilities may be on short cooldowns, but you shouldn't be trading with her for more than the time it takes for one or two abilities and an auto or two. After that you back off again. You should only need that small window to deal some damage to her.

You don't have to tell me about her ult. I know what it does. And there is NO execution style ult in the game that can flat out kill someone from half health unless there's a significant level and item advantage. Which, again, wouldn't be there if you played smart or if your team shut her down if she did start nearing that point.

You just admitted to being the source of the problem. If you can say that I know how to dodge all of her stuff because I've played her more, then the problem isn't that she's overpowered it's that you haven't bothered to learn her well enough. If I can dodge her stuff, an unranked player who refuses to do ranked play and who is on a team that ended up Bronze V, then so can you, and so can anyone else. Don't say you know her kit and then say that you don't know how to deal with it. If you knew her kit, not just what her abilities do but how a Riven properly uses them, you would know how to properly shut her down.

If you're going into lane against a Riven and you pick someone who isn't mobile or doesn't have enough tankiness to survive, it's your fault. You're only punished for staying in the same lane as her by the same rules as anyone else: If you let the enemy free farm or feed off of you, you're going to have a harder and harder time with them.

RTX Warnoise1 votes

Make her waste her abilities so she's waiting for them to cool down and punish her with she overextends, which is incredibly easy for her to do considering that her entire kit will push a wave even if she doesn't want to while she's going for you.

the problem s even f she wastes her q she just has to dash away and wait for them. Unlike Sion for example who gets punished hard if he wastes his q.

Dodge her Qs.

easier said than done bro.

Stay away from her immediate area if you haven't seen her use her W in the last five seconds.

Here. This. You said it. All i have to do is wait for her to clear the wave until she gets to my turret....and praying she wont 4 shot dive me with brutalizer

Cale0172 votes

If she wastes her Qs, that means you successfully dodged them and she's in a bad spot. She then has to use her dash to get away, meaning that you have a window of about 6 seconds where she will not have Qs, and about 8 seconds where she will not have her dash. If you can't recognize that as the moment where you return the favor by diving at her, you shouldn't be complaining about her being overpowered.

You aren't getting what I'm meaning. Me telling you to be wary if you haven't seen her use her W lately is me trying to tell you to abuse her cooldowns, or anticipate when they might be available again soon if they aren't already. You're so focused on how hard she is to deal with that you aren't stopping to think about how easy she can be to handle if you play smart.

ccseancc1432 votes

If shes not played in Korea shes bad.

Toothless Lion1 votes

If shes not played in Korea shes bad.

The Koreans suck ass with Riven.

RTX Warnoise1 votes

bump

BRTHEBEST1 votes

Learn to play Renekton and Garen well, and you will never lose another Riven lane. Well, assuming you don't have the reflexes of a dead turtle.

City of Toronto1 votes

OP should try playing Riven. Tell me how that goes.

Meep Man1 votes

??? Overall if you have logic, it is easy to learn Riven. Use your E to dodge spells and to absorb damage and Q+AA your opponents to death. Riven's spells and combos are very simple, especially since she gets a lot of cushioning from mobility and a big AD steroid. Not only this, most her abilities are very hard to miss (excluding her ultimate at close range for those "dancy" champions). Riven is easy to play if you look at her kit.

Playing her is easy. I'm not saying she is OP, but she is overall decently easy to play.

City of Toronto1 votes

??? Overall if you have logic, it is easy to learn Riven. Use your E to dodge spells and to absorb damage and Q+AA your opponents to death. Riven's spells and combos are very simple, especially since she gets a lot of cushioning from mobility and a big AD steroid. Not only this, most her abilities are very hard to miss (excluding her ultimate at close range for those "dancy" champions). Riven is easy to play if you look at her kit.

Playing her is easy. I'm not saying she is OP, but she is overall decently easy to play.

Lol... no. If you're just average at Riven then other top laners will crap on her. You actually have to be good at Riven to get anywhere with her. I implore you to try her out 10 games in ranked, see how well you do out of 10.

ShinigamiOtaku1 votes

i cant believe people are still crying about riven after all the nerfs she had. She takes allot of work and patience to get going. Like allot of people say, if the champ is so op go play ranked with them and carry yourself to diamond

Toothless Lion2 votes

i cant believe people are still crying about riven after all the nerfs she had. She takes allot of work and patience to get going. Like allot of people say, if the champ is so op go play ranked with them and carry yourself to diamond

Eh she's extremely easy to face roll and stomp with. You can be 2 kills down and still murder because of how flexible and forgiving her kit is. Yeah you may not animation cancel or jump walls, but you really don't even have to.

Kuroi861 votes

http://www.championselect.net/champions/riven

My personal favorite counters for Riven are Renekton and Pantheon.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Darius Garen Gangplank NasusTeemo counters her pretty well.

MrSlowDie1 votes

guys, riven has hammered by nerfs, people said she's trash tier, and now, somehow gaining popularity, :/

Hayaishi1 votes

A kit as stupid as Riven's is never going to be balanced

Lord Dusteon1 votes

If you are in draft/ranked, choose a bruiser/tank and build armor while stomping her. My personal favorite is Nasus (innate lifesteal + tankiness), since you can stand near your minions, forcing her to push the lane (which gives you free farm and stacks, and if Riven fails to kill the minions makes her take lots of minion harass).

If you don't abuse her after she uses her combo, or if you push all the way to her turret, or build zero armor vs a full ad champion thats your problem.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

as a riven main, i find playing against riven to be exceptionally easy

why? because i know how she works in and out. i know her break points and damage output. i know her power spikes and how to fight around them.

thats the key to beating almost any champion i've found. just play them for awhile until you figure out the little nuances you wouldn't be able to observe from the outside.

the biggest buff to riven recently has been the reduced selection of champions like darius, jarvan, and renekton in top lane. she really struggles in those matchups due to their powerful early game, and late game she's not all that great against people who build super tanky (because riven is a burst champion).

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