How can Riot fix Aatrox?

Pharrøw·9/15/2014, 5:09:01 AM·12 votes·3,656 views

Amazing design, clutch animations and kit, and overall air of basassery when he's around. But there's something I'm sick of.

He's weak. Disgustingly weak; sometimes I think his only scaling is enemy stupidity. He's not scary, even if he's fed.

He's easy to kill early with his trash base stats, has horrible scalings, and even though he needs AD and attack speed to function he, for some reason, has AP stats tied to his super slow skillshot and ultimate the makes playing him slightly less painful.

I feel like his nerfs were due to his revival passive, but what was done to him was too overboard. Turned him into expensive cannon fodder that just takes longer to kill (I want to say kind of like Zac, but he can simultaneously move, disable, and heal % max health). On the plus side, he makes great bait because people actively prey on his booty expecting an easy kill.

What can be done? I want to play him and not get death glares. I want to play him and carry, or at least be able to. Why can't a master in the arts of war fight like one?

EDIT : The community seems kind of split on where he is, but more people are on the "He's not UP, you're using him wrong" side.

Still dunno about that. The consensus still stands that he sucks versus champions it seems, and for a swordsman/lifesteal duelist that still seems kinda wrong. Base values can definitely use a little boost. A lot of peeps say his passive is good for survival, but that just translates to "double the lives, double the jungle pressure/champions used to kill him." Two lives don't make you tanky or better suited for people that know who he is (because the "hey, I'm not dead trick only works so many times on inexperienced players), they just make people prioritize keeping your life count down to one or lower more than others. That means less experience in lane. That means losing later on, which is not helpful seeing as a ton of people see him as a loss at pick.

So is that what Aatrox is to the community? A rebirthing ultili-tank kinda-bruiser with with a kind-of-decent early game terrible lategame?

Sigh... I'm seeing a larger problem here. It's his identity as a champion. It conflicts with itself as do a lot of supposedly underpowered (and therfore underpicked) champions. Diana and Olaf seem to fit this as well.

30 Comments

Taioko9/15/2014, 6:08:14 AM6 votes

I wholeheartedly agree, Aatrox Aatrox is far too weak. He needs a sizeable buff to his numbers at the least. When I am against him I laugh and wish he were capable of putting up a greater fight, and when I am him I immediately regret my decision of choosing to play as this champion.

Aatrox is so cool. Let's make this guy viable again.

12tales9/15/2014, 12:09:46 PM3 votes

He's weak. Disgustingly weak; sometimes I think his only scaling is enemy stupidity. He's not scary, even if he's fed.

Aatrox is always an interesting subject to me, mostly because of fredy122. I dunno, but for some reason, while everybody else in the community is going on about how trash Aatrox is, he's carrying games with him in the LCS. It's kinda odd.

My theory is that, for some bizarre reason, a lot of people are under the impression that Aatrox is some sort of melee ADC. Where they build him with multiple offensive items, Zerk greaves, Zephyr, etc etc. And, obviously, he immediately dies whenever he tries to go in because he's squishy as fuck and his only defensive tool requires him to be constantly auto attacking (i.e. not CCed). fredy, meanwhile, is building him BotRK->Full Tank, and doing quite well.

So, I guess the first thing to do would be to change his suggested items.

draheraseman9/15/2014, 7:29:39 PM2 votes

I don't know about weak. I have had a lot of really good games (21/3/6) with Aatrox as long as I win my lane but if i get ganked a lot early or I am just outplayed I get squashed late. If any changes should be made to Aatrox they should be focused on his late game durability so that that insane healing can be put to use and I don't end up popping my ult in every team fight to keep my passive up. That's just my opinion though.

Xyphios9/15/2014, 8:22:06 PM2 votes

Bro he isnt weak he is almost broken with his OP heal in my opinion .you probably just bad at him or people told you he sucks which he isnt. he is ok right so he is kind of balanced. the only thing that would make him a bit useful if his ult was more than just a range/attack speed bonus.

Penguin Eclipse9/15/2014, 6:38:01 PM2 votes

The last red responses I read about Aatrox mentioned that he was being kept in a non-optimal place intentionally because of his heal. I can see this as a real concern. Number-wise, it is a really strong sustain with no cost or CD. At the same time, his abilities cost health and he needs a way of easily replenishing it. If he is buffed, his sustain could make him a major bully that can't be easily out sustained. This puts him in a bit of a bind.

I agree, he's not in a very good place right now. I am not sure what can be done either. But I think his heal and his health costs will need to be adjusted before he receives buffs.

Apheludoe9/15/2014, 4:22:09 PM2 votes

AATROX IS NOT WEAK! Aatrox is one of the strongest top lane champions, I have seen. When you play as Aatrox top you have the advantage of going balls deep at lvl 2 or 3. Just because of your passive. Your passive is to legit. I don't care who you go against your passive rules over all other passives in the game(besides Pantheon's). You have 2 lives like come on now. If you die the first time no worries, you have a second life.......but wait with a GA late game, o God just do whatever you want to do. If you have a yorick or a zilean that is 1.5 more lives you have, so a total of 4.5, What? Also, I guess it is how your play style is. I realize as a top lane player, you have to be highly aggressive, which you have to be with Aatrox because again of your passive. It is to legit. 2 vs 1. I honestly don't think they need to make any changes to Aatrox. He is fine the way he is. Maybe, you just need to change how you play as him and watch how everything changes. Then rethink on how you look at Aatrox. :D

Sire Hippington9/15/2014, 4:21:48 PM2 votes

The main problem with Aatrox is the W and his passive. If he's in lane, he can easily use W to sustain the healthcosts of his skills while keeping his bloodpool filled, granting him a high AS to bring high damage upon ur enemy. This makes him a pretty massive monster in Lane, to much sustain to harras, very strong all-ins, and passive+Q are quite some good tools to escape ganks and survive towerdives. As soon as he has to leave lane however, he turns into a rather usless beeing unless massivly fed. His healthcosts mean he got only 85% health, and poking with his E costs even more, while he rarly has oportuinity to sustain himself with his W. In fight, it again gets complicated to make use of the W, as the enemy team will out alot cc in u, even if they don'T focus u, so it becomes rather hard to get the 3 AAs off. thx to his low basestats and healthcosts, he also is easy to burst down despite building tanky, and after the passive is used, he ususally lacks the as to get the 3ed AA befor finally dieing. Also, his damage is a bit to reliant on his AAs and the W damage proc, while it's really hard for a melee to consecutive AA in a clash if u have no tools vs cc or a good ms-steroid.

SInce his laneing is already extremly potent any straight buffs would probably end with him beeing overpowered. What Aatrox needs is a shift of power from his early to late, like total ad ratio and less healthcosts at later levels, as the healthcosts make him very vulnarble in clashes and reduce the effecktiviness off tanky builts, especially since his selfheal scales off ad. I'm also not a realy fan of his W, if ur ahead u ususally can use it offensivly leading to massive damage, if ur behind u need the heal to somehow stay alive, so ur damage-potential as massivly lower, which makes the W mechanic pretty feast or famine.

Beavertooth9/16/2014, 8:29:30 PM1 votes

I totally agree that as a top laner, AatroxAatrox is pretty weak damage wise and all. However, with the new jungle changes, Aatrox can be incredibly strong by late game. With the new Feral Flare changes, a Feralitem 3160 combined with Rav Hydraitem 3074 and tank items makes Aatrox a huge threat late game. I understand his reliance on single target damage can seem underwhelming late game, but a proper initiation and a stacked feral flare makes him impossible to ignore with his ult AS buff. He also makes an amazing counter-jungle, because his passive makes for easy first bloods and extra reds/blues, meaning screwing over the enemy jung. I still believe they should try to do something with his skill set - maybe focus on changing his blood well passive for the better. It is waaaaay to hard to fully stack his AS passive by late game at the moment, as he is so reliant on his health costs to deal damage. It seems that riot has ignored aatrox for far too long after his release, i am sure they'll do something soon :)

Padan Fain9/15/2014, 11:24:52 AM1 votes

I agree. He is super weak. However he plays very well in certain team comps, more so than anyone else. His combo with an Ori for example. Ball him, he dives in with q, Ori ult, massive damage. If he were buffed this would become an even worse scenario. I think that he needs buffs, but he also needs some ability changes to prevent abuse.

Izak Newton9/15/2014, 5:32:23 PM1 votes

I wholeheartedly agree, Aatrox is terribly weak. I bought him when he first came out and fell in love with the champion. Unfortunately Riot nerfed him to oblivion and now one of my favorite champs is now useless. I remember Aatrox used to be able to bully enemy champs out of lane and dual almost anyone successfully; not to mention being able to go into the enemy team and transcend into "God of War" mode and carry. Now you just can't win lane and your late game is laughable, good luck trying to dive into a team fight and get your passive popped instantly and then just die all over again. RIP Aatrox, you will be missed.

Grindoom9/15/2014, 5:59:35 PM1 votes

I agree he needs something to be a bit tankier.