Toxic Players result in More Losses than Poor Performance

Zjeven··3 votes·1,606 views

I'd been pondering posting this for quite some time, but hadn't managed the energy, mostly because I like my evening game time to be free of stress. However, after being stuck in the dreaded ELO hell for dozens of games, I think i've finally mustered the ability to get this out, and see if Riot will actually hear the plea of a player who has been around long before ranked games, draft mode, or bans were even a thing.

In my opinion, League of Legends is one of the best MOBA's on the market... in terms of its mechanics. The game's developers obviously put a lot of effort into creating unique champions, awesome looking skins, and bringing the game up to snuff in terms of art with the likes of the Summoner's Rift revamp, new music, etc. I've been playing for a long, long time, and it's kinda awesome to see how far the game has come in the years that i've been enjoying the game.

However, while all the above listed have taken great strides forward, I feel that as the game has gotten more popular, there has been an aspect that has only gotten worse with time.

The community.

And this is even with the understanding that Riot has supposedly been taking steps or strides to try to improve these things.

Let me be frank: I get put into a toxic game at least half the time. More often than not, I lose these games not because of poor performance on the team's behalf, but because the toxic player is spending more time at his keyboard trolling other players than paying attention. If you're unfortunate enough to get into a game with two? The game is practically over, because they'll spend the entire time at each other's throats. If I just so happen to win a game with a toxic player on my team? When I hit the post-game lobby, I find that it's usually because the OTHER team has a toxic player who ruined THOSE players experiences.

.. or they are AFK. Or they're complaining of lag. Or or or or or...

What i'm getting at is that: At least in the bronze ranked queue? Games very, very rarely amount to a test of skill between players. More often than not, it's who ends up holding the short straw in terms of player attitudes.

And IMO? It's absolutely obliterating what I would consider a great game.

Here's the deal. You can have the greatest game in the world. You can have the most solid mechanics. You could balance it perfectly. But if your players are in the shape they are here? And if they are not punished for it? Then it ceases to matter. ESPECIALLY in a PVP Game.

And it falls on Riot to fix it.

I know that the company is hesitant to be more punishing with their enforcement. But i'll place a wager that for every person that you don't ban or chat ban, for every game that they destroy for other players, you lose two people who don't want to be a part of it or put up with it. I'm fortunate enough to be in a field where I have to have a thick skin in order to get through the day. Even WITH that thick skin, though, i'm getting tired of it... and i'm betting that there are plenty of people who don't have that thick skin are already sick of it, or have already left.

So here's my plea...

Riot? Knuckle down on these people. The status quo is, quite frankly, unacceptable, and being you removed the Tribunal? We as your players have no recourse or no action that we can take against these people. It falls down to you, as a company, and honestly, I don't feel that much is being done about it. If the ratios of games that i'm seeing this kind of stuff happen are as high as they are, i'm betting it's no better for other people. Reading the comments and responses of your "Handling Toxic Players" posts? I can see that i'm not alone in this.

Please... More chat bans, sooner. More firm and swift enforcement of toxic players. We don't need blog posts with statistics. We, as players, will see it, because when it happens? It will be like exiting the roar of the city and entering a quiet forest. The change will be that sudden, and that obvious.

I'm betting that this post will simply get buried. Lost. Forgotten about, and nothing will change. I'm hoping that i'm wrong. As a longtime player, I want to believe that Riot really does want to see this addressed. I'm simply not seeing it happen, and that's incredibly discouraging.

~ZJ

18 Comments

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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BluePolarizer1 votes

You can carry bads. You absolutely cannot carry a whining manbaby that sits at fountain spamming wards or full support Jax that got mad because they lost lane or aren't personally carrying.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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BluePolarizer1 votes

from what I've seen in high gold/low plat 90% of toxics get mad and rage because they're bad. I have seen maybe 1 guy that was carrying hard while raging. I mean, when I'm carrying, I don't have time to rage at bad teammates. I have carry shit to do. Also, GL with the 7-3 mids that rages all the time then AFKs for going 7-4 against a dive. I've had that happen twice and a 5-2 top die once to a 3 man dive then buy boots and AFK. in plat promos last season had this shit happen, also had jungle malphites ult backwards into our team and AFK at fountain for "failing to follow up engage"

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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BluePolarizer1 votes

I don't know where you get the idea that players who are actually carrying have the time to type shit in chat other than calling plays. I mean, I sure as hell don't have time to rage when I'm being the carry because like I said, I have carry shit to do. Being toxic doesn't help me win (whether it actively helps the loss is irrelevant), and if I'm actually carrying, I'm probably motivated to win. I am struggling to think of a single game where the toxic player was carrying. I don't know whether it is them being toxic that causes them to not carry, or if they're toxic because they're not carrying, but that is irrelevant. When they go toxic, I don't have much motivation to even try to carry them because "they don't deserve to win", the other thing I hear from toxics.

Another thing is simple - unless someone has been boosted, is a division 5 of the lower division duoing with a division 1 of the higher tier or you are a smurf, it is unlikely that they will be that much worse than you. After all, they're in your elo.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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BluePolarizer1 votes

Maybe in diamond or where people take the game seriously enough to not throw when they're being toxic. In lower elos (including plat), it happens all the time where a toxic player influences the gameplay of others. For example, a toxic player tells the jungler "why dont you *** gank my lane", and the jungler is probably significantly less motivated to actually gank that lane. Be toxic enough and at least one other player who otherwise would be playing at their best, is very likely to not want you to win, and its very easy to not let you win. Since I go by the philosophy that if you want to win you'll do nothing that does not advance your goal, then there's no reason to be toxic. Just like in real life, no matter how much of a jackass a CEO actually is, they don't actually say it to their employees.

Free Mason Prime2 votes

maybe you should stop sucking and then your teammates wont be toxic. dont play if you suck. play bots, thats stress free. I get on league of legends every day and i want to win games, then theres little shits like you that ruin my fun, so i yell at you. go to bots fucker

Very Hard Engage1 votes

people refuse to accept a large portion of the community is the "xbox live" age bracket and what they bring along with their raw numbers. it is true they may have some skill at some games, but they just wont mature, they just wont improve, they can only be managed. someone new will always take their place. and since its a "team" game a 5v5 and 1 uncooperative person suddenly makes it a 4v5 and the game becomes that much more difficult.

The5lacker1 votes

Alternatively, poorer performing players are more likely to be toxic.

Stop mistaking correlation with causation. You're making Statistics Majors sad.

Zjeven1 votes

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Alternatively, poorer performing players are more likely to be toxic.

Stop mistaking correlation with causation. You're making Statistics Majors sad.

Actually... I majored in a field of behavioral statistics, and know the difference. :)

While you can't necessarily say that there is an established "cause" in this sense, if you could establish a statistical significance? One could draw the conclusion I listed.

But that's neither here nor there. Whether or whether not someone performs poorly isn't the problem. I've grouped with plenty of people who are not the "best" players, but they try. Oh do they ever try... and sometimes? That's all you need, where a toxic player has given up under any given circumstance.

KMannnnn11 votes

If it makes you feel better, every rank is toxic, so even if you climb, you'll still have to deal with that nonsense. Just mute the ragers and try to play the game.

Zjeven1 votes

Not terribly encouraging... :(

I think my mute button is getting a little tired, heh.

KMannnnn11 votes

I feel your pain. IMO, the only way to play this game without dying on the inside is normals with friends. I know that's not a solution, but at the very least it's a buffer.

Zjeven1 votes

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I feel your pain. IMO, the only way to play this game without dying on the inside is normals with friends. I know that's not a solution, but at the very least it's a buffer.

I'd click "like" to your post if I could. :)

I have considered just going team builder, but there is a thrill to the competitive element of ranked games. At the end of the day, should this continue, i'm seeing no other alternative. Aside from picking a less toxic game. And I really, really hate being one of those "I WILL QUIT" players, but this is a sanity check at this point. :P

indomitable11 votes

How many games actually come down to a close strategic battle between two teams? The player match making just isn't that good. I mean, it works fine to start casual games on a large scale for thousands of players, but is it really matching all those people in closely skilled competitive games? Not really. I mean not all of us players are dumb. We can evaluate if other players are more or less skilled then we are. Do the supposed rankings and match making reflect this? not really.

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