[Survey] Which class update do you want to see next?

MrBuffington·4/24/2016, 3:55:38 PM·15 votes·1,288 views

After mages, there is one other class update before the end of the year. Riot has mentioned a few frontrunners, but I haven't seen this put to a vote, so I wanted to see what the people of Boards want to see. Using the Subclasses Riot defined, which class do you want to see updated next?

EDIT: I forgot Divers...I guess upvote LostFrost's comment below if you want Divers

43 Comments

LostFr0st4/24/2016, 3:58:02 PM14 votes

So... why are the Divers not included there?

ViashinoWizard4/24/2016, 6:28:47 PM3 votes

Assassins definitely need the update most. The majority of them have outdated kits in one way or another, and they're sorely lacking in dedicated itemization.

CoolKnightST4/24/2016, 4:46:36 PM3 votes

Wardens & Vanguards, their itematisation (mostly in the support area) is just an nightmare.

Athenes Lulu4/25/2016, 8:01:56 AM2 votes

Most enchanters aren't even doing their jobs, or that their purpose is badly highlighted.

Sona as one of the most notorious examples. Yes, she does have her own niche, but most players are completely unaware of what her "auras" do, and how to rotate her passives to make the most out of her kit.

Teeana4/24/2016, 4:22:36 PM2 votes

Marksmans... but not AD..

AP marksmens... like teemo kennen ect there's a few others I'm sure... but they are few.. all they really have is nashors, rageblade, and wits end..

warpenguin5554/25/2016, 4:19:52 PM2 votes

Assassins create the most antifun experiences in the game. Most of them are so old that meaningful counterplay just isn't there. Even the newer ones like Ekko and Zed(ik he's not so new but when it comes to midlane assassins he's the newest after Ekko) don't feel like the counterplay is there. The itemization against assassins is almost non existing and once they are fed your mid laner and adc are practically dead before the fight starts. And if they are not fed assassins are useless. Not to mention that the only assassins played are the most OP ones at the time while the rest are forgotten about. They all do the same thing and normally only stick out when they are the strongest of the class. Why would you pick Leblanc over Fizz if Fizz is stronger right now? You wouldn't. Only Kass, Zed and Ekko have memorable theme. Kat and Talon literally are the same thing thematicly, while Akali is a less cool Zed. Shaco is better at deception in every way than LeBlanc who is the Deceiver. And what is Fizz supposed to be?

The jungle assassins are a bit better but not much.

Eve won't be included because she has Morde and Skarner levels of problems. Nocturne is always being outclassed Kha'Zix always seems to be broken or useless. Rengar is based around one shoting and that isn't healthy Shaco is just Shaco. Nidalee is just a massive headache

And nobody even knows if Yasuo and Diana are assassins or what they are supposed to be.

This class is a mess and needs the overhaul ASAP

lunien4/24/2016, 5:13:26 PM2 votes

Assassins, Vanguards and Enchanters are those I feel need a Roster Update the most.

Assassins often create very frustrating counterplay experiences, though a lot of them do have very fragile weaknesses, they need some more ease for enemies to utilise them. Also, their itemisation choices are really lacking, since almost all AD Assassins build the same as Marksmen (after they finish Youmuu's and Duskblade). Stealth is also a weird mechanic, that could definitely have potential (maybe all enemies would see a danger sign, when a stealthed champion was close, except in brushes, where they would always be completely invisible).

Vanguards are generally lacking in itemisation clarity and diversity, and none of them fulfill any kind of strategi reason to be picked (other than "I have an AoE-combo where I smash into the enemy team with CC"). Maybe also more interesting thematic components (maybe Malphite would have a passive with a CD to cause earthquakes around him when he used an ability - then of course his abilities wouldn't be AoE in their isolated states).

Enchanters don't need a lot of messing around with, since (if you ask me), they're actually very balanced. The only thing would be a little more strategic diversity (reasons to pick, let's say, Nami over Sona or Sona over Nami). Also, Nami shouldn't be able to purchase boots :P

Big Lincoln4/25/2016, 7:24:51 AM1 votes

tanks should be reworked first.

more numerous than assassins with equally problematic -- and annoyingly identical in function -- kits.

itemization is a problem, too. too enabling for other classes to abuse.

supports after that, preferably, since they want to solidify the difference between mage items and support items it seems.

then we can tackle assassins third

and maybe juggernauts part 2, since Garen's rework was hardly even that and Skarner's sucked. Mordekaiser should be reworked individually, back into the Mage class where he belongs.

Malix Farwin4/25/2016, 7:59:05 AM1 votes

Whats sad is that support is not on that list, that should tell you something.

Venowolf4/25/2016, 12:12:35 PM1 votes

Juggernauts but this time I want to know all the champs that are considered juggernaut, not only Graves, Garen, Nasus and Mordekaiser. (after nerfs and reading his "champ description" Skarner is more like a Vanguard than a juggernaut). I think Yorick, Olaf and maybe Shyvnna could be called juggernaut too.

ltmetal4/25/2016, 3:01:20 PM1 votes

Assassins, Enchanters, Divers, and Wardens, in that order.

xxxDogmanxxx4/25/2016, 3:32:25 PM1 votes

Divers need to get buffed. Either make them tankier, or give them more mobility. Right now, they basically get punished for doing their jobs. They dive priority targets, and as a reward, they get murdered by the entire enemy team so that their teammates can get in free hits while they die. As opposed to Vanguards who basically do the same thing, but are far tankier and will often survive by virtue of being so hard to kill. It's not like Vanguards don't have kill pressure either, since they usually have so much more cc than Divers.

Quepha4/25/2016, 3:34:11 PM1 votes

I can't see the results of the other classes because I vote for divers. They need the most work of any class.

Second choice would be assassins so that Riot could get a better idea of what makes mobile damage-focused champions tick so they could do a better job when they get to divers.

Shrek Luigi4/25/2016, 7:41:40 PM1 votes

I get why people feel that assasins are in the most dire need of an overhaul, but I cast my vote for Wardens because they are extremely lackluster in the current meta. In most scenarios there is no solid reason to pick one over a Vangaurd/Juggernaut/some other beefy front-liner because the latter have about just as much damage-soaking potential whilst getting much more value out of their purchases due to their interactions with stacking HP on top of item 3748 or Grasp of the Undying or whatever. Half the Warden pool feels like a bunch of Ult-slaves.

Stars Shaper4/24/2016, 3:59:12 PM1 votes

I feel like Assassins need a better definition of their purpose and a more severe dinstiction of playstyle between champions in that class so that it won't end in: "who can exploit better the items gets to play, others don't". Also clearer windows of power/weakness.

boosted frog4/24/2016, 4:02:17 PM1 votes

What's with the down votes?

Penguin Eclipse4/24/2016, 4:49:28 PM1 votes

With what they are doing to Syndra, what they did to Morde... none. These class updates are a joke. They fix a few champions then massacre the rest.

IxtaliKing4/25/2016, 2:37:58 AM1 votes

Assassins probably need it the most tbh, after them it will be Divers then I think Wardens/Vanguards. After that I hope Enchanters are looked at.

Abyssphere4/25/2016, 2:44:51 AM1 votes

I think assassins need it most. Not looking forward to the couple of months after the reworks where every assassin is dominating the meta but you'd hope that they'd be healthier after that I guess.

Close second would be divers, but to be honest I don't want them to get attention because I don't feel like Riot would actually want to fix their inherent issues.

kirbyzama4/25/2016, 7:19:36 AM1 votes

If we are being serious, Assassins. There are counterplay issues but also homogeneous designs to work through. Assassins ought to have the odds stacked in their favor in any 1v1 but each should have different situations where they are optimal and situations where they need to fight an uphill battle where the enemy has the advantage for survival and these highs and lows ought to be different for each champ.

But can we get a quick drive by of marksmen again? Most non-marksmen players are unhappy having the meta dominated by a few marksmen who are also hard to kill and many adc players are unhappy that AA reliant late game carries have less agency than before the update as def options for carries are nerfed as mobile carries were basically unkillable with them.