As a Mid Laner, I feel Like Bot has More Impact on Games

Alevity Xiaku·3/21/2018, 7:57:05 PM·37 votes·4,210 views

So I almost only play Lux, so my perspective is mostly from a mage like Lux. It honestly does feel like the meta favours bot lane. The Jungler goes bot to help them snowball and I go bot to help them snowball. If I'm ahead, there's almost no reason to roam top. The only times I roam top is if my enemy laner goes top, or the top laner is fed enough that we can siege their tower (probably) after I've gotten mid tower. Otherwise, I always go bot. Bot seems to fall faster and lets our adc come mid to take my tower.

Lost games for me, more often than not, are when my bot loses tower early and the enemy bot comes into my lane. Likewise, easy games are always those where the adc gets their tower early and comes mid. It's like the "4-man bot" is always gonna happen, you just don't know when and by which team.

From an ADC perspective, it might seem like the jungler is impacting the lane because the lead is typically off a gank. Or it might feel like a support match up, but to me, a midlaner, it just seems like whoever's bot gets an early lead wins. We gank bot to get bot fed.

And when playing from behind, it ALWAYS turns into a game of "stall until my ADC does damage." I am always reliant on the ADC. Even if I am fed and keeping the game going with a behind ADC, it's always so that the ADC eventually gets items and does damage. By late game, I can't kill tanks. Who kills tanks? ADC. By late game, I cannot siege towers, who sieges towers? ADC. By late game, we need an objective to push out from our base. Who takes Barons and dragons faster? ADC.

The game revolves around this role. My job is just to kill ADC before they kill my ADC because the ADC is such a huge chunk of the physical damage. Better ADC seems to be what shifts the tide of:

-Whether it's an easy game -Whether we win late game team fights

The games are so much easier if your ADC gets the lead in their lane. Games drag on so much longer when it's my ADC who is behind. A snowballing ADC just seems like it shifts the tide of the game way more than my being fed. If I'm fed, my job is just to make it easier for my ADC to get back into the game. I never feel like I can solo carry as a midlane mage. It always feels like I stall the game until the ADC can do their job. If the ADC never gets back into the game, it doesn't matter how ahead I am.

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Handy Sandy 3/22/2018, 1:32:17 AM10 votes

As another midlaner, this is how games go from my perspective:

Bot lane first blood Jungler solos drag sometime Bot lane gets tower Bot lane goes mid for a waveclear battle, junglers follow. Whoever has static shiv wins or goes equal. (Shiv doesn't cost mana to use unlike a mid's waveclear)

Midlaner stays around mid because mages in side lanes lul + only have half an item or so at this point Someone gets picked or dove / I recall because im oom from waveclearing, tower falls instantly around level 9-10

Mid tower falls Somehow manage to stall but still consistently behind 28 to 7 nexus half dead and all top lane turrets are still intact

Usually the other way around if my team's the one winning.

3411235456523/21/2018, 8:21:08 PM9 votes

mid season will fix it -RiotRepertoire

Rockm Sockm3/21/2018, 10:17:28 PM8 votes

Mid priority determines how bot and jungle go. Top lane can only stomp lane and TP Bot but its kills and a turret.

Honestly, bot lane does determine the game but thats mostly because its where everyone shows up.

Thimes v23/22/2018, 7:01:32 AM7 votes

Botlane has 2 people, that is 40% of your whole team, while you are only 20% of your team, of course it has more impact. Get used that supports also have impact on game, not only solo lanes and junglers.

Bern3/22/2018, 7:48:39 AM6 votes

While your complaints do have some validity...

You're playing mainly Lux, a champion with notoriously garbage waveclear, little ability to roam, and notably low impact compared to other champions in the same role. You should probably try other mid mages before you make a final verdict -- especially heavy roamers like Taliyah who have huge map impact.

Daddy Ants3/22/2018, 5:55:42 PM5 votes

As a bot laner I feel the jungler has the most impact.

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There is 4 people on bot lane, it is normal that it as more impact.

You can complain if you want, but most of the time, the Jungler decides who wins, and ADC's rely on how good their Jungle/Support will be. As fed as I can be, the 3/3 Akali will still destroy me, ADC can't solowin the game (But Vayne) .

Not even Vayne can solo win a game now.

The Yetii Rider3/22/2018, 4:04:01 PM5 votes

Well I guess if you feeeeeeel that way, it must be true. Your individual inability to carry as a mid laner is not reflective of your own skill or choices in playstyle, no. It's the meta. It's the structure of the game. It's not that you make active choices to only roam top in certain situations and not others. It's not that you don't ask your jungler to sneak dragon with you when you force a back, regardless of the bot lane. It's not that you, jungle and top all ignore rift herald. No, it's the meta's fault.

JackMcSnipeyz3/22/2018, 12:58:17 PM5 votes

2 players out preforming 1 ? Surely this must be because of unbalance!

Hópe3/23/2018, 3:16:12 PM5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alevity Xiaku,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7uAXVxiE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-21T19:57:05.975+0000)

So I almost only play Lux, so my perspective is mostly from a mage like Lux. It honestly does feel like the meta favours bot lane. The Jungler goes bot to help them snowball and I go bot to help them snowball. If I'm ahead, there's almost no reason to roam top. The only times I roam top is if my enemy laner goes top, or the top laner is fed enough that we can siege their tower (probably) after I've gotten mid tower. Otherwise, I always go bot. Bot seems to fall faster and lets our adc come mid to take my tower.

Lost games for me, more often than not, are when my bot loses tower early and the enemy bot comes into my lane. Likewise, easy games are always those where the adc gets their tower early and comes mid. It's like the "4-man bot" is always gonna happen, you just don't know when and by which team.

From an ADC perspective, it might seem like the jungler is impacting the lane because the lead is typically off a gank. Or it might feel like a support match up, but to me, a midlaner, it just seems like whoever's bot gets an early lead wins. We gank bot to get bot fed.

And when playing from behind, it ALWAYS turns into a game of "stall until my ADC does damage." I am always reliant on the ADC. Even if I am fed and keeping the game going with a behind ADC, it's always so that the ADC eventually gets items and does damage. By late game, I can't kill tanks. Who kills tanks? ADC. By late game, I cannot siege towers, who sieges towers? ADC. By late game, we need an objective to push out from our base. Who takes Barons and dragons faster? ADC.

The game revolves around this role. My job is just to kill ADC before they kill my ADC because the ADC is such a huge chunk of the physical damage. Better ADC seems to be what shifts the tide of:

-Whether it's an easy game -Whether we win late game team fights

The games are so much easier if your ADC gets the lead in their lane. Games drag on so much longer when it's my ADC who is behind. A snowballing ADC just seems like it shifts the tide of the game way more than my being fed. If I'm fed, my job is just to make it easier for my ADC to get back into the game. I never feel like I can solo carry as a midlane mage. It always feels like I stall the game until the ADC can do their job. If the ADC never gets back into the game, it doesn't matter how ahead I am.

Number one you arent a mid laner. You're a OTP lux main.

Second, you should try playing adc and whem a good lux player Es you for half your health let me know how that goes

Potchikir3/22/2018, 7:50:40 AM4 votes

OMGAH 2 players have more impact than 1 player NOT FAIR

SpecterVonBaren3/21/2018, 11:38:55 PM4 votes

Had a game the other day where I was mad at our jungler. The reason was because they didn't gank bot but constantly tried to keep down the Kindred jungler on the enemy team and got mid and top decently ahead.

I was mad, because I knew that it wouldn't matter since down bot we were trying to play safe against a Vayne+Lux lane as Twitch and Tahm. Because our jungler didn't gank bot, Vayne was able to scale and Lux didn't become useless.

It was one of the few games where I was legitimately raging in chat, and I know that I was wrong to do that but at the same time I was raging because of how much power bot lane has. I remember when letting mid and or top carry the game was something you could do, but now it doesn't matter so long as the ADC gets fed, because that enemy Vayne by the end was 8/0/7 and no one on our team could stop her. I hate that. I just want bot lane to be a lane like any other again.

Z3Sleeper3/22/2018, 8:30:19 AM4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alevity Xiaku,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7uAXVxiE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-21T19:57:05.975+0000)

So I almost only play Lux

/thread

Lol but forreal though, it's hard to outshine a over-performing bot lane as Lux. Most likely you aren't gonna be farming your opposing champion too much if at all in lane and so if things snowball out of control elsewhere it's out of your hands.

Lux is great for teamfights and catching but it's all meaningless if the enemy ADC can't die.

The mid laners that are doing the best right now are the ones that can more reliably shove lane and roam to snowball bot lane.

Lunar Lunacy3/22/2018, 10:07:14 AM4 votes

Funny thought, I saw another post from someone complaining that when bot roams mid the ADC starts taking all the midlane cs. It just occurred to me that these posts are just two different outlooks on the same situation. When your ADC roams mid first it's actually usually a good thing because, as you said, that means that they probably won their bot lane and are ready to try to push their lead to other lanes and go for mid tower. This guy in the other thread was only worried about his cs and not the overall situation

Grunt6663/22/2018, 4:53:00 AM4 votes

Lets be honest shall we? Bot lane has 2 of the team 5 players please explain how it should NOT have the most influence over the game? bot lane 40% of your team mid lane 20% waaaaah how come im not the most important!

Please man a little common sense.

Glory973/21/2018, 9:59:21 PM4 votes

As a midlaner you have the ability to carry the game. If you win midlane, establish vision dominance, and roam often you can win the game. -You can pick an assassins, and just snowball the game to victory Zed Talon (It's quite hard, because zoning the enemy and getting a 50cs lead means nothing, but it's not impossible to be 10/0 by minute 15) -And you can pick lategame mages that have carry potential comparable to adcs Azir Anivia

Yes botlane is too powerful, but midlane is not too weak either.

OOF Loosebeans3/22/2018, 9:22:28 AM3 votes

Pick Taliyah Roam bot all game... Mid has the biggest Impact in the game easily, Mid can determine on what lane most Action will take place the Problem with Lux is no roaming mobility weak roaming CC and not enough wavepressure early game. So you have a hard time having a lot of impact

Madsin253/22/2018, 2:27:15 AM3 votes

The support slaves decide the outcome. Literally the most power held in the least queued role. All these autofills throwing away games because they don't know their own potential.

Beacon Academy3/22/2018, 6:16:07 AM3 votes

I pretty much play Veigar now, so that the infinite scaling can (counter/supplement) my (infinitely feeding/fed) ADC.

But yes as a mid laner, its usually when bot loses and they collapse on my lane, game gets hella fucked.

That alone is bad enough... But then they start taking my CS and then following me to other gold sources Q_Q

Edit: Also as someone else pointed out.

First Blood Tower Gold > Gold Lost From Roaming

Game less about laning well than it is about killing the weakest tower first.

Tobiscotte3/22/2018, 5:36:26 PM3 votes

There is 4 people on bot lane, it is normal that it as more impact.

You can complain if you want, but most of the time, the Jungler decides who wins, and ADC's rely on how good their Jungle/Support will be. As fed as I can be, the 3/3 Akali will still destroy me, ADC can't solowin the game (But Vayne) .

Pandeonor3/22/2018, 8:34:16 PM3 votes

As an actually frustrated botlane sup this it feels just awful and - for me - just not true at all.

In short: Placements to bronze 1, climbed within 40 matches to silver IV 75LP, 66% winrate. In about 5-7 out of 10 matches I win I get an S. I think just explained that I did only a couple of ranked last year then neccessary to get sV but a lot of normals (in normals I a matched about 1400-1600 MMR actually). I am not a bad one, I don´t lose lane, mostly we have the vs tower botlane first (9 out of 10 matches).

And now, just as an example, my last 5 matches. In every of these matches both other lanes were stomped. In 4 of these matches we got vs botlane tower first. Even in one game I managed to make my Vayne fed.... it was impossible to win. in my last I must go back from lane because midlane-Veigar just walked through 2 towers to the inhib tower together with toplane Sion. In the matches before 0/5 and 4/10 Teemos , 0/6 gnars.... and 2/7 midlaners crushed hard.

Botlane matters? Actually just laughing. Sad. No way if other lanes lose. Maybe for otherwise very even matchups within a division. For this matchups this should not be a problem at all that 40% of a team has more impact then another single lane.

C9 Squeeky 3/23/2018, 3:42:16 PM3 votes

I feel like no matter how you titled that, if you insinuate anything about Bot lane being too impactful or too strong, you'll get the upvotes. Even if you say you say "I'm playing mid braum, bot has more impact than me", you'll get more upvotes than downvotes.

Rico Nasty3/23/2018, 8:16:43 PM2 votes

Honestly I feel like it's the jungler that usually decides games.. a lot of OP junglers rn. Also they assist in the snowballing of lanes, and if the jungler does bad then in my experience, everyone does bad.

I Main Swain3/22/2018, 4:33:07 AM2 votes

i disagree to an extent. mid lane CAN be extremely impactful, largely depending on what champion you play and how well you can/do roam and retain vision dominance. for example, i like playing swain and galio especially right now because their roaming potential is good, they can help take objectives pretty well AND help contest them really well, and they can hold their own generally in waveclear and other aspects of laning. it also depends on if youre talking about the bottom side of the map being where the most impactful actions happen or if youre saying the bot lane roles are the most impactful part of the game, or a combination thereof. personally, i actually think that jungle is the most impactful followed by support and then top mid and adc ordered depending on how they play. mid lane has a lot of potential impact on the game because they have a lot of roaming power and they have access to both major jungling objectives, and generally they have a lot of team fighting power or assassinating power, which can help to snowball other lanes. it all depends on how you play your cards. that could just be me, but thats the way i see it based on my own experiences

HalcyonDweller3/21/2018, 9:31:23 PM2 votes

You're in luck:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/7lOZPHOi-quick-gameplay-thoughts-march-21

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Solo Snowball versus Team Snowball

We're going to be looking at how some of the rewards in the game contribute to solo snowball versus team snowball over some upcoming patches. We shifted a few things towards team snowball a while back, aiming to give more agency/impact to roles who needed it (jungle/support at the time) and reduce the degree to which the other positions would sometimes get so individually far ahead they were too hard to deal with. In retrospect we think we went too far in that direction though. That reduced concentration of power makes it harder to get ahead enough to really carry and means that when you're facing an enemy team that's ahead it's a bit too much that they're all ahead and threatening than that there are particular enemies who are really high threat you need to try and play around/shut down.

We're planning to start by shifting shutdown gold back to going to whoever killed the enemy on a killstreak, rather than being split globally with the team. That's also got the benefit of making it more possible to get back into a losing lane if you can manage to get a kill on someone who's significantly up on kills on you.

If that shutdown gold changes goes well we'll then look at see whether we should shift any other team rewards back towards solo rewards. Want to make sure we're getting the desired result before doing that though and cautious about swinging back too far in the other direction.

Meowgin3/21/2018, 9:28:23 PM1 votes

I'm somewhat disagree, if mid is feeding it's affect the game badly, so it's not unimportant. Also, often after 1-2 towers taken, both teams start to push mid, where team fight might decide a lot. ADC = Attack Damage Carry. It's probably logical that they can deal more damage. If you want to deal most of damage by yourself, maybe you just need to change the role and pick ADC champ for yourself sometimes? It's boring to play the same champ all the time. Also, there are different roles everywhere, for example, in soccer they have forwards, midfielders and defenders positions, each with it's own specifics.