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At level 6 Leblanc can root a target for 3 seconds--as an assassin

Leblancs Boob·3/13/2019, 8:10:32 PM·60 votes·15,932 views

How about we nerf this instead of continually destroying an assassin's ability to assassinate? The current PBE nerf to Leblanc's Q scaling will do nothing to her proplay presence because no one picks her specifically for damage--she has, bar none, the best gank assistance of any champion in the game. As long as she can dash two screens away and snare a target long enough for her team to collapse,she will continue to be a monster in coordinated play. But every nerf to her damage and CDs makes her worse and worse to play as a solo champion.

An assassin should never be able to hard cc anyone for as long as 3 seconds, but instead of nerfing that we nerf the assassin's numbers, making her less able to act independently because she can't make her own plays without her damage. At this point, I don't even care if you remove her snare entirely, just please stop nerfing an assassin's damage to preserve her cc that she shouldn't have in the first place.

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SuicidePlank3/13/2019, 8:34:58 PM28 votes

Can they please nerf her E range after she hit you? Like you won't get away from being rooted, you simply won't. With her 1 1/2 dashes and her ability to outrun most champs and on top of that, if you and her run the same way, your flash won't even help you getting out of range. Imo lacks a lot of counterplay.

BLIGHTBRINGER3/13/2019, 8:33:10 PM24 votes

Don't forget about the chain length, which is basically the entirety of Mid Lane, and it's hitbox is the size of a Cho'Gath at the end.

Jamaree3/13/2019, 8:27:11 PM9 votes

If she is using her r to also snare you, isn’t she like slicing her damage in half?

IAmTheLego3/13/2019, 10:10:09 PM7 votes

Not to mention how ridiculously long her e range is.

High risk high reward btw.

Balance and fairness my ass.

GigglesO3/14/2019, 4:40:14 AM3 votes

Non-tanks have too much cc. According to riot tanks are supposed to be the premier cc class.

However almost every class has lots of cc so it’s either a poor excuse for tanks to not be durable... or every non-tank class should get cc nerfs.

Crescent Dusk3/14/2019, 1:12:34 AM3 votes

She shouldn't have a root to begin with given that she has an effective double dash and then a passive that stealths her at low health.

If you think she's toxic against adc's and mages, try playing less mobile assassins like Talon, Diana and watch how a Leblanc blows up half your health with electrocute, immediately swaps out, and if you tried to counterplay her swap by being close to her return location she just chains you and walks away, winning every trade and by midgame killing you because her Q is short enough cd to use again.

It's dumb crap like LeBlanc and Zed that ruins this game because you have champions that can dome massive amounts of frontloaded damage and peace out immediately out of retaliation while every other assassin has to commit to melee range and dies in the process while also being more easily peeled.

High in combat mobility champs should never have the damage of less mobile assassins, especially if they have hard CC to boot.

If they're gonna keep her chain she should at least have the same cast time as Zoe's bubble (and honestly both their cast times should be increased, as should be Ahri's charm).

FOR JUSTICE3/13/2019, 8:58:10 PM3 votes

She may be an assasin but id just like to point out most ap assasins have some form of Hard cc. Not all, but most.

Fizz has a knockup/displacement

Ahri has a charm (but shes like some kind of kite mage thing i guess)

Dont know what kind of cc you would call dianas, but its there

Akali has an AoE stun

Elise has a stun and slow as well as ekko

Etc.

Anu3isII3/13/2019, 10:58:06 PM3 votes

By using her RE she practically gives up her Burst speed for more utility. It is a nice tool in the Early to Mid Game until she reaches the point where the ADC can burst her faster than she can...

KFCeytron3/14/2019, 2:37:36 AM2 votes

And Malph can kill someone instantly as a tank. That's LoL these days.

Bardmageddon3/13/2019, 8:53:32 PM2 votes

We already got plenty of assassins that jump in, burst down the carry and leave. An assassin that can jump in, disable the enemy tank/bruiser is a lot more interesting than the generic assassin

2Charmnot2Charm3/14/2019, 12:36:31 AM2 votes

I legit don't get why they never touch her chains. Seriously one of the main complaints about it is the fact that even if you flash away the tether range is still big enough to snare you.

Unless you flash and use a dash you can not escape the snare unless leblanc bails out [sg-shisa]

Illidan is HOT3/14/2019, 12:57:51 AM2 votes

As a LeBlanc main I agree. What I would suggest is reducing root duration from 1.5 sec at all ranks to something like 0.7/0.9/1.1/1.3/1.5 sec depending on E rank. This way LB doesn't lose much 1v1 potential, is not as cancerous when her jungler comes anymore and is still able to peel herself with root in late game.

Nevrankroaton3/14/2019, 6:26:41 AM2 votes

She is a fucking shitty champ who should have never been reverted. I will enjoy her being garbage, old leblanc suck as hell to play as and play against. I stand by my bias, they wanted one of the most boring/shitty assassin to be back? There, now back to the gutter so her mains can reflect on their BS.

Warlord Rhinark3/14/2019, 6:58:47 AM2 votes

The root duration wouldn't be that big of a problem if the chain wasn't so long.

Nameless Drifter3/14/2019, 1:44:15 PM2 votes

LeBlanc has been ridiculous overpowered for quite a lot of seasons, even in pro play. They never did anything about it, or at least anything significant. Its curious that they nerf Urgot to oblivion but they dont do that to LB, when she is one the safest champions and one with the least mechanical need, to pull off wins.

Riot killed the wave clear power of mages last season, because apparently mages are not alowed to use spells, but they did kept assassins and burst Mages mostly untouched and some even buffed, along with the Ignite buff too. Its pretty obvious that they think assassins should be the ones dominating the seen, because it gives more "flashy plays" even though the quality of the pro play has been falling hard.

BlueSmurf20183/14/2019, 6:49:31 PM1 votes

shes not an assasin, shes a mage. Why do i say this? zoe, anivia, xerath, and well, every mage in the game arent labled as assasins and leblanc is only labled this because of her mobility. Shes a mage and mages are broken.

Akali is SO HOT3/14/2019, 6:31:27 AM1 votes

She's picked in pro because of her high mobility and high damage for assassinations. Her root is good, but using RE is super situational which is why you don't really see them go for it that often. She isn't picked specifically for the reason that she can potentially root someone for 3 seconds.

Sydney263/15/2019, 10:53:12 AM1 votes

if u hit 2 spells

Jennifer4203/14/2019, 7:32:30 AM1 votes

i think this root doesnt matter because by the time you'd get rooted you are already dead LOL

mOwNRachel3/14/2019, 7:37:40 AM1 votes

i dont understand why people complain so much about leblanc :/ i'm not a midlaner but still play a few champs there, in low diamond , and never had problem with lb. considering i'm not playing hard counter, (i play leblanc, Ahri, xerath), never lost as ahri, you have better wave clear, can charm her if she dash to you , always have minions advantage because as i said, better wave clear, on top of your passive for substain. and xerath just shove the wave , if she really commit use your e stun combo. you complain about her E, the width of this ability is very, very small, it's a skillshot not that easy to hit, why should i not be rewarded for landing it, just like ahri and xerath get rewarded for landing e? in term of pure damage she probably have one of the lowest burst of all assasins, zed have better burst, talon have better burst, fizz have better burst, diana have bigger burst... is she safer than other assasins? maybe, but i'd rather have a risky assains that get the job done than a LB that fails and leave the teamfight having done very little. you complain about lb but at least if she kill you, she had to land skillshot on you, what about ZED, that fail his 3 shuriken and still delete you with just R AA E ? that's balanced and well designed ?

Zullar3/15/2019, 8:12:06 PM1 votes

There's not enough burst & mobility & CC in league. They need to add more.

Poske3/14/2019, 1:49:27 PM1 votes

Ahri can setup from a far to with a HARD CC and is ever since revert a better version of Le blanc

Hemulen Magi3/14/2019, 2:37:31 AM1 votes

I think Riot wants to shift Leblanc to an identity as a hybrid catcher + assassin (or burst-mage). Her assassin/burst-mage identity is already strongly established, but her potential as a catcher is less established, so weakening her damage output and retaining her mobility+CC helps gradually define her secondary catcher class. I think it's a good thing and makes LB more appealing to me personally. If she could get slightly higher base defenses as compensation for the damage nerfs, I'd probably pick her up as a catcher support, and she'd still be plenty playable for mid laners as an assassin.

Kjraider3/14/2019, 2:40:43 AM1 votes

Mages, especially mobile mages, are in an amazing(dare I say OP) place in general. You take a look at most elo's and top/mid(duh) and even support win/pick rates, and mages are well represented compared to ad/tanky variants in most cases. Mage items are dirt cheap, give great stats, and ultimately lead to most of them being able to 100 to 0 in a combo or less. Mage power creep is a problem all over the map, and I'd love to see it addressed in general.

Laçez3/13/2019, 11:38:44 PM1 votes

Just to put this in perspective. Ekko's W, which takes 3 seconds to cast & requires him to be in it for it to proc, last for 1.75 seconds & was actually nerfed when it was longer than that. It is aoe though...