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Who's more OP alone ?

Chill Vibez··44 votes·11,389 views

^ So the new champs Xayah and Rakah have been out for about 2 weeks now, and people are starting to understand what they do and how strong their potential is. Who is really the most OP? (so far)

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Xayah or Rakan?

Explain.

My personal opinion would probably be Rakan, I think his CC and utility is in a crazy spot right now, and I'd say he should be receiving some sort of nerf soon. Xayah seems balanced in my opinion.

EDIT: Rioted! :D

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RiotAD Yuumi57 votes

Blitzcrank

KONO RUBICK DA3 votes

jinxylord around, been a long time

when is ur next champ, i hope it's an adc using amos again

Troll for Trump1 votes

A machinegun ammo system would be interesting.

But onhit item abuse :/

Hello I am Bird5 votes

KogMaw?????

l Helios l14 votes

Morgana "Oh what's that? Going for the hook? Not today bitch!"

Dat Kat6 votes

Thresh hooks, blitz grabs.

The Lexer1 votes

What does Nautilus do?

SolarisCorvus7 votes

Throws a huge fucking anchor at people.

Vivid Mandala7 votes

Anchor Rape them

Lauchmelder2 votes

He hitboxes.

AMYS GRAVE3 votes

no, blitz is the best hooker.

MissingKayo37 votes

Not enough statistical proof to reasonably say either. Rakan has the POTENTIAL to be more broken with all of his utility as opposed to Xayah's fixes being just plain numbers. However, that doesn't mean I do consider him broken or not.

Not enough time for anyone to have gotten sufficiently good at them yet to show how strong they are. And they're not immediately cancerous like release Camille or immediately trash like release Taliyah.

Fondling Gems6 votes

In agreement with this. I wouldn't say either are balanced right now, but they definitely aren't OP or broken either. They need a bit of tuning and people need a couple more weeks of playing with/against them and it feels like they will be just fine.

HexaDecimel18 votes

Not saying that Rakan is an easy champ, because I think his skill cap is pretty high. But I do think he has alot built into his kit to be a fairly safe champion to play.There is alot there to cover up mistakes.

Where as Xayah takes a bit more to be successful and requires some setup. Her ult is great but she will struggle a bit if opponents position right.

Placentas3 votes

I think this is pretty spot on. Xayah is really immobile too adding to her need of proper positioning.

Varalessia2 votes

Don't forget her abysmally low range at 525.

koshkyra2 votes

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Don't forget her abysmally low range at 525.

Sivir can you say, "500 attack range"?

ImaSpacePotato1 votes

Lucian says hi

TruelyTrueTrueth1 votes

ok lucian but you have insane mobility so just crawl back into your cave and eat chicken or something

NewGuy10110 votes

I wouldn't say that anyone of them is broken alone.

But as to who is better, that depends. Rakan has a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling while relying on his team to follow up and coordinate on his movements as his damage is laughable compared to other supports. Xayah on the other hand has a pretty standard skill floor and ceiling (reminds me of Ashe's personally) while being able to dish out tons of damage even without her teammates with all of her roots and invincibility in her ult.

Rakan has potential to be more useful for a team than Xayah, but don't expect anything good out of him in SoloQ unless you're Diamond+. He will play much better in LCS and FlexQ with an ADC friend. Xayah would be better in SoloQ where you don't always get to rely on your teammates.

Morgan le Fey3 votes

Biggest issue I've had with Rakan while solo queuing so far is teammate positioning. It's really easy to get completely screwed over if you're on the edge of your E range because your teammate doesn't know to shift 10 units to the left. I've died more than I care to recount to my allies juking up instead of down. It makes him play pretty differently depending on if you're in call with your ADC (and trust them) or not.

Samflash33 votes

Would Dead mans plate work well on him? Seems you'll get more out of the movement and defense (at least that's what I remember while PBE'ing). Someone had this idea of a wits end Rakan when Xayah was in-game.

Change is gooood8 votes

Neither are "OP."

I think they are good in their own way, but they do not surpass each other in usefulness to the game

Almighty7 votes

How about neither?

I am so sick and tired of people labeling everything as "OP" on here. Do you even know what "OP" means? It means OVER POWERED! Something that neither Xayah nor Rakan is.

Xayah is PAPER! An immobile piece of paper, and if focused down she will be useless. Learn what her weakneses are beofre declaring she's "OP" because you lost to her twice.
And watch her ult. It's her only defence tool.

Now let me tell you something about Rakan.

"I think his CC and utility is in a crazy spot right now"

Umm, the only utility he has in the laning phase is a heal, a shield and a knockup. Something Alistar did long before Rakan's champ designer even worked for Riot.

He can dash to allies? Braum LeeSin say "hi".

He can charm your entire team? Stay away from him while he's in ult. Or get a item 3140 and cleanse it.

And that heal that you barely feel in ealy levels because IT SCALES WITH CHAMPION LEVEL? It can only be activated if Rakan hits an enemy champion or an epic monster (Herald,Dragon,Baron)

Oh, and here are some counters for Rakan: Morgana Alistar Sivir Lulu Ezreal Poppy

Don't get bitter, just get better!

P.S You spelled Rakan wrong in the first sentence.

Almighty.

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

The argument that Xayah is paper is kinda strange to be honest. Every marksman with the exception of Graves (because he is a frontline marksman) is paper, they all die fairly quick. That doesn't determine if a marksman is too strong or not.

Skins Project1 votes

Not calling em op...

but just gonna point out some errors?

Rakan's kit is unique in the fact that he has an escape and engage. This is VERY rare among supports. The only other champion that has one even nearly as reliable would be lee sin.

Considering if Alistar goes in, he really has no way out. He's in or he's getting chunked when he leaves.

Braum can protect well, but he doesn't have too much engage material (on basic kit at least)

Lee sin... Has very similar limitations to Rakan, but even then he requires an ally and an enemy for his mobility. Rakan requires an ally, and nothing for his mobility.

A heal, a shield, and a knockup are quite a bit tbh. (Also Alistar never had a shield for allies...)

The "problem" atm is he can be very safe. He can jump in, get a q off and dash back to an ally, giving a trade in which he stays about neutral and you get chunked.

P.S. You spelt Allconfident wrong.

SolarisCorvus1 votes

Tbh if you go a very support build your not gonna do alot of chunking. Also if rakan doesnt land the w then the q wont really be able to land.

Skins Project1 votes

Sorry, I phrased that wrong, I was including the adc's in that situation. If Rakan goes in and lands a knockup, he is MORE OR LESS guarantied a heal, and for the duration of the knockup the adc can get a few auto attacks in.

Landing the w now, comes to skill and isn't op/not op is irrelevant to skill tbh. If a kit is strong enough that someone skilled can abuse it then it is "busted" if it is weak for someone who cannot use it efficiently it honestly doesn't matter.

Nevrankroaton7 votes

If anything, I feel Rakan hit what would be the good middle between versatility and balance.

He has a 'lot' of tool on paper and is indeed the first real mobile support who can be very versatile but he got a ton of weakness in fight.

Rakan has no inherent tankyness other than a shield that is weak at early level. He is dependent of the defensive mastery tree to get more stat and a shield that allow his all in to be more safe.

Whilz he got a heal and a shield, his heal scale with lvl and ap, while asking for you to hit this low range skillshot AND hit a champion If anythinf, his q is max last because of how ureliable and weak the scaling feel. It has good base dmg but it is mandatory if you think of the range and the fact ir only hit one target.

His W is very powerful and a major part of his power budget. It give him aoe hard cc along with mobility. But the hitbox is actually not gigantic and the delay make it actually fairly easy to dodgz. Rakan need to predict the movement or to follow up to make strong plah. A well balanced powerful spell.

The E is super good, the shield is good and it allow him to make very slippery play. Of course it will frustrate people to have a support who can get awqy from his mistake but what he gain on this part, he loose it in term of tankyness and dmg. Rakan doesnt trade like a nami (the other 'versatile' support).

His R is actually underestimated. It is like his kit, very versatile and disruptive. It ls an excellent engage, a very good peel, a good escape. You can engage on someone, see the ennemy jungler appear and turn to charm him while you w or e to escape.

What make him strong is his capscity to make the choice on his play. he get fairly bullied in lane by poke comp, early bully (karma) and hard engage. BUT he can also work fairly well against all of them. He truly shine in organised play and I can see him be a good pick on lcs.

Xayah is more simple to describe. Her massive stength is her minion wave control, which automatically make her good for lcs/pro play as she promotes rotation well. Her lack of escape is made up for strong dmg input and scaling, she snowball actually quite hard and is a good duelist. she is good, solid but doesnt excel so much that other top tiers adc will be ignored for her. she just has a massive waveclear control which also come with some good poke and easy trade. Even if her ult has such long cooldown and she isnt a mobile adc, adding she can also require proper feather set up to maximise her dmg input in duel (even with her W), I think she can pick in the lcs.

She is also fairly easy to balance, it is all about the number on her E is she scales too quickly and also lowering the dmg made by the feathers early on secondary target if her pushing power early is too much.

Overall, two very fitting and fun kit that dont feel overbearing to fight. They are fun to play as and against. for me, it is a very very good release by Riot

Tiniest Turtle6 votes

Don't know why people think Rakan is so strong. His shields and heals rely heavily on AP to be on par with other supports', which he doesn't build much of considering he has to build tanky to survive his playstyle. His sustain can be countered by hiding behind minions, making him have to go really far out of position to land a short range and slow skillshot. Just punish him if he even tries to do that. Punish him when he goes in to W (which can also be dodged relatively easily) and lock him down so he can't get away. A single slow or immobilize when he starts his ult gimps his potential massively. Seriously just punish him for trying anything and bring some lockdown and he'll be gimped. Take Janna, Zyra, Malz, Brand, or Veigar in lane against him and he'll have a bad time.

Both of their unique ability interactions only buff Rakan too. Giving him more damage and mobility. Without a Xayah to dash to he can't be nearly as aggressive and their adc will often be juuuust too far away from him for him to get out instantly after a W.

Xayah has amazing aoe damage and kiting potential, and her damage after a few items can swiftly delete entire teams.

Acheron165 votes

Both are decent, but Rakan feels the worst when played alone of the two.

His Q is too short for a single target skillshot and his E without Xayah has half the range. Now, I can understand making him stronger with Xayah and vice-versa, but this is a huge ammount of power locked behind his E skill.

Increase his Q a bit (or make it AoE) and relax on the base E restriction, this is silly.

u got this gary4 votes

Xayah

Misticaltom4 votes

Rakan is HEAVILY reliant on a good, skillful, agressive ADC, who he can protect. He's far stronger alone than Xayah is.

Xayah is an ADC who really likes a support to defend her as she plays like she plays, but she can play like she does without Rakan.

Rakan is more dependent upon Xayah, but is more powerful a champion as well. Xayah doesn't depend on Rakan, but really needs someone to give what he offers.

MissCha0s4 votes

Got to give it xayah, I feel like she has the ability to really stall out lane until she hits her power spike, and when she hits they spike, absolutely insane at times, but that's just how my games have went, I'm sure eventually my opinion will change.

dolphinosplash244 votes

I would say Xayah is more op on her own. Rakan gets self benefits from being with Xayah being longer Dash range. Rakan doesnt buff Xayah any more than he buffs other champions besides the maybe faster recall

420 grams3 votes

I think rakan has a touch too much mobility for the cc he brings

Magical Zoe3 votes

The only cc he has is a charm and a knock up, champions with more cc in the botlane: Alistar Blitzcrank Braum Janna Karma Lulu Leona Morgana Nautilus Nami Poppy TahmKench Thresh Taric

420 grams1 votes

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The only cc he has is a charm and a knock up, champions with more cc in the botlane: Alistar Blitzcrank Braum Janna Karma Lulu Leona Morgana Nautilus Nami Poppy TahmKench Thresh Taric

Out of all those most don't have more cc than him, and none have the mobility.

chipndip12 votes

You need to count slows though.

Orangesilk3 votes

Rakan is balanced in a particular way.

His midgame skirmishing and lategame teamfight are insane, he can be a huge playmaker, initiating here, charming a couple guys, then jumping back and charming to peel for the ADC, crazy.

But his lanephase is outright pathetic, he's too easy to poke down, has a negligible heal and deals almost no damage (Unless backed up by Xayahs W), he's like Leona in that he must all-in to do anything, but he has less CC and less damage, so he simply feels less threatening.

RainbowIcee1 votes

I disagree and so do most people that play him. The issue with rakam is that he is far too safe, if he messes up he can get out. If you catch him he can get out while having no draw back to it its like lee sin. If you catch him or he messes up he has his dash and ult to save him not to mention flash. Rakam has his dash and ult to save him. And his dash is far better than lee's. I feel champions should be punished for mistakes and be left vulnerable. Sure you cna punish him but you can punish all the champs with that mind set. But how hard do you punish lets say alistar for going in at a bad time vs rakan? Ali isnt getting out he has to fight through the focus.

Orangesilk3 votes

He does little else other than being safe in the lane phase. His engage is rather weak, and if he goes in you just trade damage with him until he dashes out, you're 100% sure you'll win the trade since his damage is pitiful. He's hard to kill, but this is not a Lee Sin situation where he compliments safety with ridiculous base damages. If you're engaging you're not really looking to engage on him, you want to engage on his ADC. He provides peel of course, but so do all the other supports in this game, while being far more threatening.

As an Alistar specially, you can engage while being sure that the enemy botlane will have to retreat due to simply being outstatted. Not no mention Alistars sustain is actually consistent.

Morgan le Fey1 votes

Not too safe. Bear in mind that he dies almost instantly if he gets locked down. A good enemy support (or Xayah, Quinn, Graves, Cait, etc.) makes Rakan incredibly vulnerable in lane. He gets punished incredibly hard for messing up his engage near them, and has very little to do but ward and shield his ADC from time to time when they hold him at range.

Morg Q on his engage is usually going to be instant death for him with no real recourse other than to juke every skill shot. If Annie passive hits him, he dies, and again no recourse other than "don't fight near Annie" (though he can wait until she uses passive and fast-dive if he's really good, but he still needs his E to get out fast enough to survive that). Brand or Fiddles? Yeah, he probably just killed his ADC by dragging bouncy death back to them. Tanks can wait most of this stuff out, but Rakan cannot.

New Sejuani really scares me. She's going to destroy him. T.T

RainbowIcee1 votes

That's probably because he's so safe people build him squishy with only hp items and utility even though he goes into the front lines. That's why he get's blown up. He has the freedom to do so because of his safety he doesn't need to get out of position or into danger to play his card like taric for example. He dashes in dashes out which is why people build him squishy because the idea is to go through things with minimal danger. If they do place a delay in him to go out then people will start to build more armor and mr on him.

Morgan le Fey1 votes

Well, yeah, that was kinda the design. Have you seen his ratios? Riot desperately want him to build AP. That's even how his shield works; he has a brief HP buffer for when he goes in, and it scales exclusively on AP. Very skirmishy - go in, do your thing, get out.

Even building tank, though, he'll never keep up enough to truly tank. Supports don't get enough money to build hard-tank. The only reason tanky supports work is because they all have enough natural tank to make up for the inherent item disadvantage.

GAMER GlRL3 votes

As of right now I would consider Xayah more powerful but if the meta shifts, Rakan should generally be more consistent as is the nature of supports

Evenstar2 votes

To those of you who say Rakan is weak, you probably don't understand the full extent of his kit.

Mobility is his raison d'etre, he's like the Ahri/Yasuo of supports, because all he needs is his mobility to get the job done. Understand how his E works, and everything else in his kit falls in line to make it work seamlessly. While lacking the safety Ahri has. Rakan boasts better mobility in fraction of seconds. This means he is extremely strong when you play around his mobility rather than his ratios.

Those ratios are going to get nerfed, just watch and see. Riot probably gave him high ratios to start with because they predicted players will have a harder time mastering him. But his kit is straightforward for beginners to make a subtle impact. Mobility even after nerfs will always have a strong impact.

Xayah on the other hand, just has high damage. Her ult is probably a bit too strong in that it provides invulnerability, but she's slightly above focal point of balance. The reason she's almost pick/banned now is only caused by the fact that Rakan is paired with her. When either one gets nerfed, the other suffers. Xayah is strong, but she has very clear weaknesses to capitalize like what the rest have mentioned.

Probably Malzahar/Annie/Anti Dive supports will destroy Rakan in matchups. But Rakan basically excels at making plays against the rest. Squishy supports like Sona, Soraka, Janna, Karma, Zyra are peas to Rakan if he plays his cards well.

sry im fed again1 votes

I ban rakan every game!!

Almighty7 votes

Yeah, that's a wonderful way to learn to play against him.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Almighty.

Magical Zoe5 votes

You wouldn't have to waste you ban for such a balanced champion like him if you learned to counter.

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