Having an autofilled jungle is actually autolose right now. The difference between a jungle main and an autofill is massive. It's made even worse this season with reduced exp and more important objectives, making a jungle that knows how to gank more important.
Having an autofilled jungle is actually autolose right now. The difference between a jungle main and an autofill is massive. It's made even worse this season with reduced exp and more important objectives, making a jungle that knows how to gank more important.
The importance of jungle didn't increase. The importance of winning lanes that allow a jungler to gank successfully and help contest objectives while keeping the enemy jungler out of your jungle only incrased.
Because junglers only win or do well if at least 2 of their lanes are good. 2 losing lanes = autolose.
How the hell can you get scuttles or dragons if your mid and bot lane are garbage?
How do you prevent them taking herald if your top lane can't keep lane priority and sits on his turret because you have to babysit him since he can't 1v1 his lane?
How the hell do you expect a jungler to stay at least 1 level within lanes if you don't defend his jungle from the broken Lee Sins and Olafs and they take all his jungle while you sit afk farming in lane?
That's why jg gets autofilled, because 3 lanes expect you to clone yourself and have impact on all 3 lanes at once while getting dragons, scuttles, and herald.
Because lanes expect you to win lane for them when they can't win on their own.
The one role where 3 separate lanes can int your opponent and take you out of the game through no fault of your own as you can no longer defend from invades because your trash lanes gave the Rengar 3 early kills by pushing without vision and hugging bushes.
agreed. but really this can be said about any role, obviously JG is different and can be more important than others especially a main vs fill, but really there should be NO autofill at all in ranked, it's a freaking ranked match where we go because we think we're ready to play the game we've prepared for, not an RNG based fuckedfest. but that'll never change now will it?
Autofill just shouldn't be a thing in general anymore.
TL;DR: Jg is too impactful for how difficult it is to learn and how often it gets filled.
I agree, but I think jg in general has become too overvalued by how the game has changed. Very few people will disagree that most games are won/lost in the jungle.
Every since the crabs were added and early fights were forced, there's more pressure than ever to play high risk, high reward junglers (damage picks) and succeed early. Even a single death can feel like you're set 10 mins behind your opposing jungler. Jg variety in general is incredibly worse than it has ever been with only a handful of picks even really being considered viable in higher elo.
In addition to this, herald was added and given huge lane impact, further increasing the value of a good obj focused jg. Now with the 2nd dragon rework, junglers are pressured more than ever to have flawless rotations on the map to prioritize objs, in addition to being forced to deal with hard stomp picks that very few laners can beat (morde, akali - you might disagree, but very few match ups have an effective to way to deal with these 2).
The shear fact is the position snowballs way too hard. If you manage to pick the other jg a single time you have full map control and can basically free farm their jungle. This forces the opposing lanes to play a totally different game as they have basically no jg support for ganks/counterganks and it instantly becomes their responsibility to watch out for invades so their jg isn't forced further behind, losing all possible dragon pressure.
The impact of the jg role is just off the wall compared to basically every other position IMO. It's not hard to understand why it's one of the most filled positions in consideration of the risk of failure. Learning to jg is nearly impossible for entry level players and the impact you have, whether you're winning or not, is higher than ever. I remember when having good clear paths and knowing your champ's gank patterns was enough, but now the drag buffs are just so impactful that you can't afford to not be optimal every game. It took me seasons to jg efficiently and with the recent changes, I still feel useless some games.
u just play nunu and farm, thats about it if ur autofilled imo
I’m a fill main and jg has overtaken support as the lane that I get dropped into the most by far. They made the jungle so miserable this season that nobody wants to play it. I feel forced to pick my best early pressure jg 
every single game, because otherwise you fall behind, and if you fall behind in S10 jg you basically are a ward the rest of the game. It’s awful, it invariably ends with one jungler being completely useless the entire game, and usually this gets decided before either of them gets level 6. I don’t blame people for leaving the role in droves.
as someone who mains support but occasionally plays all roles for fun, the jungle changes are extremely unfun. Seems like every game now, I get matched up with 1 of 5 or 6 jungle champs, and they all manage to be in every lane at all times while still farming. Meanwhile, I'm powerfarming, or struggling to gank my lanes that dont know not to overextend/dont ward, and I just end up falling behind both in impact and farm
So true!
Autofill shouldnt be in any elo ... if people wasnt to fill theres sitll an option id rather wait longer ...
Its not just jungle that gets affected...
0 mechanic ADCs
Supports choosing an AP mage ... playing the carry role instead letting the adc die instead and just hoping they do damage instead very gold inefficient
mid laners who play the mortal kombat game staying mid 0 rotations to drag or anything
top lane is probablky the only ok one but then if you dont plauy these champs youre screwed because again top lane is whoever wins creates a massive advantage
I have a better idea. How about we design the game in a way so people would be encouraged to learn other roles and play different champs instead of spamming one role or, even worse, OTPing?
I think the reason people are performing poorly in the jungle is really just an issue with never learning how to play the map and the previous dependence they had on bot lane.
Casual junglers and autofills are less likely to:
Fulfilling your role as a jungler right now means you must perform dozens of small functions in order to get the same results from seasons passed. Autofills are less likely do complete all the functions and thus face the threat of being literally half the level of the enemy (the biggest gap ive seem is lvl15 vs lvl7).
If I have any advice to offer, it's that all dragons are paper now. If you're lvl5 with smite item complete you can prob burn the drake down. As well, make time for top, sitting in a lane bush for 30s-1m or in the river is valuable, top and jg depend on each like a symbiotic relationship. Both will benefit from the actions of the other, so long as the ganks are successful.
Also, if you pick a power farmer you still need to gank. Jg gold and exp isn't enough even if you're farming them on spawn in a perfect pattern. You need exp from lanes, gold from kills and plates etc.
Back in MYYYYYY DAY we had to learn all our roles before playing ranked because being second or last pick was a death sentence
But I do agree
I didn't play jungle for the past 5 seasons, i dont know anything about it, i get autofill jungle and what am i supposed to do? STUDY JUNGLE JUST TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THIS GAME? Then i get flamed by every teammate for not ganking or having no impact on the game no matter what i do? absolutely trash system that should not exist for the jungle role, i bet if you compared winrate from autofill jg and normal junglers it would be astounding.
I think more people should just play jungle if I go fill I always get jungle and once every blue moon support. Also supp items and jungle so should get a buff. Compared to doran's ring and dblade, super cheap powerful items laners run around with, they don't do anything. I watch tarzaned alot and he recommends going dblades in the jungle time because they that strong.
Agree, I don't mind autofill for other lanes, but jungle just feels bad when you're against a good jungler. I can't really match them. Jungle guides are a bit difficult to follow. A lot of different pathing and learning which jungle is best for certain things. I think I just need to learn which junglers are early farming champions because I'm pretty good at just farming jungle and getting objectives.
Auto fill is ussles [slayer-jinx-unamused]
it should be renamed auto support
5 weeks ago, people were downvoting posts with a 100 replies that said the jungle was in a bad place and should be fixed. Everyone hated the gank meta last season, so this seemed like an improvement, to which I have to agree it is. HOWEVER, I predicted in every post about the jungle, that it would become the most autofilled role and make people the most unhappy about the state of the jungle that it has ever been in. And here we are 5 weeks later.
The solution is simple, boost the XP of the 2nd/3rd/4th jungle spawn. No catchup XP. Remove solo lane XP boost. Keep the lane sharing XP nerf (that will modestly disincentivize ganking and shoving wave, as will the lack of catchup XP). This way junglers are actually rewarded for clearing camps efficiently and not spam ganking.
Having an autofilled jungle is actually autolose right now. The difference between a jungle main and an autofill is massive. It's made even worse this season with reduced exp and more important objectives, making a jungle that knows how to gank more important.
Which is why we need a FILL-EXCEPT option. I can and WILL play ANYWHERE, but I won't. Jungle. That.
There are plenty of people who CAN autofill into jungle, but don't want to support, adc, or wherever. So let people choose what role they DON'T want to play if they select Primary role as Fill.
Yeah, jungle just isn't fun... But the xp is pretty nice to scaling junglers. The issue is that solo q laners are just so stupid that you really don't have time to scale.
In my experience, I feel coming back, on a scaling jungle, is quite possible if the opponent isn't terribly fed and you play to the champs strengths... On the flip side, if you're playing an aggro jg and fall behind, then that's your own fault.
Autofilled sucks in general riot should enable feature were u can be autofilledd only if u want
Jungle is inherently massively more snowbally than any lane, as the winner gets to take both sides CS, and you CANT 'play safe' in the jungle, there are no towers to hide behind.
In the old days the catchup xp meant that junglers who died once did not fall 3-4 lvls behind solo laners because of it. Now a behind jungler is useless. Long time junglers are often leaving the role, EVEN THOUGH they are more influential.
Mostly they are leaving because being powerless while your team rages at you non stop is not a fun experience, and will happen in around 50% of your games, as most of them now consist of one jungler stomping on another. The real pain is that most of these snowballs aren't actually determined by the junglers, but by how much support they get from laners in the first 5 minutes.
More jg mains quitting the role (or the game for a while), means more autofills. New people taking on the role will lose harder than anyone filling in any position for the entire history of league of legends. Never has one player been able to be stomped down so hard despite moderately competent play. This means the role is awfully unattractive to pick up at the moment (or autofill into).
If a laner loses, they still get normal xp, and often near to normal cs (melee tops notwithstanding). Losing junglers get to be 4 levels and 2k gold behind the support (sorry to the last poor autofill I did that to, but hey, it's how we win now). That's why something like catchup xp needs to exist for the jungle snowball not to determine 2/3rds of games.
Having an autofilled jungle is actually autolose right now. The difference between a jungle main and an autofill is massive. It's made even worse this season with reduced exp and more important objectives, making a jungle that knows how to gank more important.
Then they should fix the jungle, just 2 seasons ago it was the most popular role. People wouldn't get autofilled into it if it weren't in an abysmal state.
Also, if you don't understand the jungle, you can't play your own position at 100%, part of doing well in any position is understanding others, especially the ones you interact with (like jg) so you're crippling yourself if getting filled into JG puts you THAT FAR behind. Just play a brainless JG like Yi or any hypercarry JG, they're the strongest atm, if you still can't compete meh. Again, JG is in a really bad state, but that's no reason to exempt it from autofill, only to fix it.
Honestly, I feel like we should go even further and have jungle role give autofill protection, just like support does. Jungle is one of the single most important roles in the game in terms of pressure and objectives.
