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Zyra has been a disappointment @RiotRepertoir

Chortle·4/16/2018, 4:34:48 PM·44 votes·12,815 views

The current Zyra is a shell of what she used to be.

Current issues plaguing Zyra (mid/sup/jung):

  1. Low plant health allows enemies to negate a large portion of her damage.
  2. Lack of magic pen in runes and items.
  3. Awkward Q shape causes her to have farming issues when compared to the old circle design.
  4. Early game only champion (not even that good compared to other early game champs).

Suggestions for change:

  1. Replace her new Q with the old circle shape but add the increased size for plant spawn. -This will allow her to more reliably clear minions in mid/jung camps and have almost no retaliation for supp.

  2. Shift power into her abilities instead of her plants.

    -Give her some decent scaling AP ratios to her abilities. Gut her plants. Give them debuff abilities or have their damage amp up over time instead of allowing them to be dispatched so readily by her enemies. This would allow zyra players to feel more impactful when landing abilities and give enemies the chance to disengage before her plants increase in power (damage or debuff increase). This also would have the potential to spice up her builds. With more scaling, she possibly wouldn't need as much magic pen until late game like other mages.

Zyra Zyra Zyra I think many Zyra players are feeling frustrated right now. I have detailed my thoughts on how some issues could be addressed, but more than anything I would like a discussion from Riot regarding the issue. The plants seem to be a huge mess currently. More insight into your thoughts on how they could be balanced or how much they impact her design would be appreciated.

Zyra Zyra Zyra

For clarification. I have mained Zyra since S4. Mid, Jungle, and Sup.

What she is currently, is a laughing stock.

57 Comments

Hópe4/16/2018, 4:37:53 PM13 votes

Sometimes I'll W-W-R and wonder where the fuck my plants went. They literally get 1 shotted by anything.

Bârd4/17/2018, 1:24:39 AM11 votes

There are three things I think the rework got right.

  1. They got rid of the old passive.
  2. They replaced the bonus AS ult with a double hit.
  3. They reworked her W's CDR passive to encourage Zyra mid.

The rest of it... not a fan.

  1. The old passive was horrible, but the new one isn't much better.
  2. Larger plant spawning areas just mean Zyra doesn't even have to aim in order to spawn them.
  3. Lowered plant lifetimes early game killed the insane clears of old Zyra jungle.
  4. New Q shape is terrible.
  5. They still haven't given us a real reason to use Lashers over Spitters.
  6. Removal of range indicators for plants sucks.
  7. They made the plants stupid. You shouldn't balance a summon by how frustrating its AI is ffs.
Just Blame Jenny4/17/2018, 2:29:48 AM5 votes

Zyra could maybe use a bit of love (or alternatively, some of the stronger supports a bit of a tune down), but really, the thing I dislike most is her Q change. I played her a lot before the rework and a lot after. While I've grown somewhat accustomed to the new hitbox, it's... weird.

NorthernRedStar4/17/2018, 12:22:02 AM5 votes

I loved Zyra pre-rework, and she's not been the same ever since.

Her damage was gutted (in the hands of a good player), her seeds on-demand were nerfed, her cooldowns were nerfed. It was just a massive nerf overall that addressed issues that were never there to begin with.

Lesba Zyra4/18/2018, 5:43:50 AM3 votes

Yeah. I have already explained that a few times and riot has been reading my post. Magic penetration is dead and is usefull only for early, because of that passive MR scale. Her ap ratios are funny. Her Q is easily dodged on a solo lane. Players ain't only dodging on sides. She has become a burst machine over dps. Her role is just to kill adc and pop all spells. because of her low ap ratios, she ain't played as a midlaner, because of no rewards. (i still play here as a midlaner, never submitted to play her as a support) Riot has been always talking to bring a midlane Zyra back. But they have never bring anything special for that. Reseting seeds ain't that worthy when you will not play for plants. Plants are one-shotted by everything and have low dmg, because of bad ratios and old magic pene sustain. E is also a joke. 0.75s root at level 1. Come on.

AS scale can bring midlane Zyra into a decent post. AS has nice early and perfect late.

brônco4/16/2018, 8:50:12 PM3 votes

I think the major problem is trying to balance a champion where a majority of her damage is AI, sure it's unique but if they made the AI stronger it would just feel like bullshit to play against

BlackEtherian4/17/2018, 2:47:26 PM2 votes

You do realize that Zyra anything ( Even Support ) one shots everyone.

Feel Apathy4/17/2018, 9:21:51 AM2 votes

Been waiting for a topic like this.

I'm disappointed as well, she feels like a Brand that hits through minions and instead of a dot has a plant that hit once at best.

Her [E] slow plants' range is low enough for the enemy to move an inch and get away from it, not to mention the slow is not really all that great.

The absolute worst feeling is landing a full combo onto someone and your plants die, before being enhanced by your ult - Things like Amumu W item 3068 / item 3025 splash / item 1401 / item 3077 or an enemy player getting rooted and by default auto attacking the closest target killing plants before they even get a hit is the absolute worst feeling ever.

Her Q could use the Viktor E aim in my opinion so you can fight attackers in melee range without having your spell side stepped or easily dashed from.

I don't want her to be a "summoner" as we're getting that sort of champion soon™ [hope you guys nail it] , but plants having some power into them and not dying from anyone's AOE, before they can even hit once would be great.

Zyramid wannabe

RAINBOW GUMDROPS4/17/2018, 10:58:39 AM2 votes

{quoted}

The current Zyra is a shell of what she used to be.

Current issues plaguing Zyra (mid/sup/jung):

  1. Low plant health allows enemies to negate a large portion of her damage.

  2. Lack of magic pen in runes and items.

  3. Awkward Q shape causes her to have farming issues when compared to the old circle design.

  4. Early game only champion (not even that good compared to other early game champs).

Suggestions for change:

  1. Replace her new Q with the old circle shape but add the increased size for plant spawn. -This will allow her to more reliably clear minions in mid/jung camps and have almost no retaliation for supp.

  2. Shift power into her abilities instead of her plants.

    -Give her some decent scaling AP ratios to her abilities. Gut her plants. Give them debuff abilities or have their damage amp up over time instead of allowing them to be dispatched so readily by her enemies. This would allow zyra players to feel more impactful when landing abilities and give enemies the chance to disengage before her plants increase in power (damage or debuff increase). This also would have the potential to spice up her builds. With more scaling, she possibly wouldn't need as much magic pen until late game like other mages.

Zyra Zyra Zyra I think many Zyra players are feeling frustrated right now. I have detailed my thoughts on how some issues could be addressed, but more than anything I would like a discussion from Riot regarding the issue. The plants seem to be a huge mess currently. More insight into your thoughts on how they could be balanced or how much they impact her design would be appreciated.

Zyra Zyra Zyra

{quoted}

The current Zyra is a shell of what she used to be.

Current issues plaguing Zyra (mid/sup/jung):

  1. Low plant health allows enemies to negate a large portion of her damage.

  2. Lack of magic pen in runes and items.

  3. Awkward Q shape causes her to have farming issues when compared to the old circle design.

  4. Early game only champion (not even that good compared to other early game champs).

Suggestions for change:

  1. Replace her new Q with the old circle shape but add the increased size for plant spawn. -This will allow her to more reliably clear minions in mid/jung camps and have almost no retaliation for supp.

  2. Shift power into her abilities instead of her plants.

    -Give her some decent scaling AP ratios to her abilities. Gut her plants. Give them debuff abilities or have their damage amp up over time instead of allowing them to be dispatched so readily by her enemies. This would allow zyra players to feel more impactful when landing abilities and give enemies the chance to disengage before her plants increase in power (damage or debuff increase). This also would have the potential to spice up her builds. With more scaling, she possibly wouldn't need as much magic pen until late game like other mages.

Zyra Zyra Zyra I think many Zyra players are feeling frustrated right now. I have detailed my thoughts on how some issues could be addressed, but more than anything I would like a discussion from Riot regarding the issue. The plants seem to be a huge mess currently. More insight into your thoughts on how they could be balanced or how much they impact her design would be appreciated.

Zyra Zyra Zyra

riot please

Void Kaiju4/17/2018, 1:29:06 AM2 votes

You make some interesting points. I feel a big change which would free her up for getting extra power would be modifying her plant ai. Currently if she summons a plant and the spell strikes the champion, they're incapable of resetting plant aggro by exiting range. They simply change targets back to the champion every time they approach. This combine with the fact that the shooters outrange most champions means you either take the free damage or get zoned for the duration of the plant. Implementing something that required her to more actively keep the plants focused on a target would be fantastic and leave space to add satisfaction to the rest of her kit.

P0IS0N IVY4/16/2018, 11:24:12 PM2 votes

Tfw you put down a bunch of plants but the enemy kills them by accident.

Vekkna4/16/2018, 9:46:14 PM2 votes

+1

In Rep's defense, he has made comments elsewhere agreeing that she needs some changes and he will be making those changes.

Right now, it's just a waiting game to see how many patches it will take to get them in the game. Then waiting to see how they shake out. Lots of waiting.

meteorbreaker4/21/2018, 7:10:08 AM1 votes

To everyone who main Zyra is going to unite and make a common great appeal, that at last they look at her properly, maybe even full rework. Now Zyra is good for nothing.

Perma CC5/11/2018, 8:54:58 PM1 votes

Ive been wanting Zyra's old Q back since the change. When i was hearing about Zyra rework for months before it happened. I remember being so fucking nervious they were going to ruin her for me. They did... Old Q I LOVED and less plants but more impactful feels better then more plants that are less impactful. RIOT NEEDS TO REVERT HER TO HOW SHE WAS BEFORE...

Variable Æ4/16/2018, 4:42:40 PM1 votes

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KazaJhodo4/16/2018, 6:02:51 PM1 votes

Zyras dmg is really frustrating, it comes out instantly. Especially ult, the circle drops and kills you before it goes off. Like garen's q, you get hit with the silence soon as he jumps, not when his sword connects. I always try to react to it and get effed by the early silence.

5050BS4/16/2018, 6:42:04 PM1 votes

Thats an Idea.

AFTER fixing her plants HP issues.

Have her plants grow if left alone to mature (Ulted plant form) says after 4s and then live for another 4s. Ult instantly grows all plants to maturity in area for the next 6s

I always look at Heimerdinger turrets with envy as to how much HP and damage they do.

Did you know His Turrets each can take two Tower hits?

Risen294/17/2018, 3:17:19 AM1 votes

I normally love zone control champions, but I've never liked Zyra since I started playing because she doesn't actually feel like a legitimate zone controller. She feels like a mage caster who just has to throw down plants before throwing out her burst.

Ok sure but why4/17/2018, 5:37:28 AM1 votes

They should rework her to make her seeds into traps that root victims that step on them and turn nearby seeds into plants.

That's what I call Triggerseed.

Pinkaj4/17/2018, 5:56:13 AM1 votes

Honestly I'd like her to be the way you suggested. It's like placing Jinx bombs but without CC. The awkward q shape just makes me wanna die when I miss because I've placed my w's down already.

Jeanne fan club4/17/2018, 11:42:05 AM1 votes

I was a zyra main in season 6, I do not want to see her like that again. These new changes are so much healthier for the game. Why should I be able to 100-0 one shot the enemy adc/support with nothing more than sorc boots, and full magic penn?

Also, I disagree with where power should be in her kit. she is one of the only characters in the game with a turret system (her plants), I think it would be better having those be strong while her abilities doing mediocre damage. ATM both are very strong, so any changes that are made will not be that great.

That old circle Q was boring, ubiquitous and uninspired, this new Q is so much cooler, though it may be harder to cs with in midlane. That's more of a power trade off than anything. Its similar to how brand's w doesn't work that well at farming, but he is such a good lane bully. That's a big reason why they are played support, they are good at lane harass but aren't great at farming.

Also, her ap ratios are fine. Remember that all of her abilities are AOE, so any round of abilities have the potential of hitting multiple people. Her kit is fine, she is balanced enough as it is.

As for plant health, its too easy to 1 shot them in the late game, but they are extremely tanky in the early game. Tanky to the point where its a better trade to just run away from the plant rather than auto them to death in a lot of cases. Maybe their hp should have some sort of ap scaling.

giantZorg4/17/2018, 12:39:57 PM1 votes

I have no problem with the Q shape, but I would really like to see some scaling on the plant health. It can be either on Zyra's level (+1/2/3 health at 6/11/16 or something else, don't focus on the numbers) which would help Zyra mid more than support or on points put in W (somewhat like old W, put keep the kill CD refund).

SeaChange4/17/2018, 1:49:53 PM1 votes

I think most zyra mains would rather have power put into the plants, not taken from them. Her whole idea is area control, but right now she's a burt mage. I agree that she's really annoying to play right now though (circle q plss)

FairyDoll4/18/2018, 5:46:47 AM1 votes

Zyra used to be one of my favorites until they reworked her. I loved playing her mid. RIP old Zyra..

5050BS4/18/2018, 6:44:29 AM1 votes

Zyra's E needs to be a 2s Root like all other roots.

Swains Root is AOE and does not Animation lock him like Zyras slow ass animation.

Why cant I EWQR and get a 100% -0 kill like Lux can with QER?