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Why do people say Zed is OP

Nukes·2/24/2015, 7:27:15 AM·4 votes·978 views

Zed is an interesting champ (and also my main). I don't see one thing from his kit that makes him OP. Well maybe his "r" but either buy a QSS or an Hourglass and it makes him hurt so much. Also pretty much any CC is going to make it so he can't get the kill.

I can see what people are saying, he is incredibly safe because there is a lot of room for counter play. His ulti takes time to set up (0.75 seconds). And while that may not be very long, it's longer than a LB, Kata, or Annie just one shotting everything with instant cast abilities. It at least gives the target a chance to react and get ready to the impending doom. Remember when he would ulti into a teamfight and no one knew who he was ult-ing because there wasn't that big a$$ "X" over the target. In that, there was little room for counter play, but now... I wouldn't even consider him being broken.

I suppose if he is fed, he snowballs really well; but several champs do that. And unless he counterpicked the other mid laner, you can counter pick the fuck out of him with either a fiddlesticks or a kayle (man, kayle used to be so broken).

I'm just so tired of seeing so many people complain about him on the boards. He is a very strong and very safe assassin with a lot of room for out play and counter pick.

8 Comments

SmokingPuffin2/24/2015, 7:32:35 AM1 votes

I don't think Zed is OP. Certainly there is very little statistical evidence to suggest it.

I do think Zed is enormously frustrating to play against. He's basically ungankable and his "all-in" is actually the exact opposite; anything goes wrong and he gets away instantly.

I would recommend a light rework on the guy. Something to make using his shadows a more important part of his laning (so that there are windows when he can be attacked) and make the shadow on his R more interesting than just a get out of jail card.

IcyPepper2/24/2015, 7:35:26 AM1 votes

Take summoner 3 instead of summoner 14 if you're worried. It has defensive, offensive, and utility properties, so why not?

Major Sparkles2/24/2015, 7:36:19 AM1 votes

I don't know enough about balance to comment.

Cindikle2/24/2015, 7:39:11 AM1 votes

He's not OP. But he is too safe in lane.

Umbral Light2/24/2015, 8:15:51 AM1 votes

In my opinion I don't think he is OP or anything but seeing people complain about him is just so very often that I'm starting to make statistics of how often a week people post about this. If anything should be changed on Zed (and I'm saying this as a suggestion to calm those "Zed is OP" groups) it's that his Q does less damage or lower it's range. Another is to remove the Bonus AD from the W or lower it from 5/10/15/20/25% to 3/7/12/18/25% so it's weaker but in the end is the same as it was. But I don't really think Zed needs anymore changes but if they nerf or hell, of they were to somehow miraculously buff him I'd still keep playing him my own way. There was a suggestion that a friend of mine made (one that even I know would make Zed do more insane damage and so I disagree with it) is to make the damage from R true damage so that it works well against tanks as well (which would make it so tanks don't faze him as much which is why I am against this suggestion as much as I love it).

Sona Ping2/24/2015, 8:20:27 AM1 votes

Oh I see Zed is the topic of the day. Again.

"Why do people say Zed is OP" There are several good threads around that explain this, one in particular talks about things that could be changed that would keep Zed's intended identity, not touch any of his assassination damage, but would still remove some of his unnecessary advantages like his wave clear.

The odd thing is, you have already laid out several reasons why people complain about Zed and can be reasons one would throw the label "OP" on him. The first is this which stand out so hard: "I can see what people are saying, he is incredibly safe.... His ulti takes time to set up (0.75 seconds)" Could be pretty good reason to call OP. If Zed is your opponent, you can't kill Zed but Zed can gap close and kill you in less than a second.

"either buy a QSS or an Hourglass " You are shoehorned into building a specific JUST because Zed was picked, not because of strategy or how players perform, and have to already declare a "loss" by building a defensive item which for a lot of champions does not offer stats that would benefit them.

I could go on, but I won't after this but again you just don't get the game balance issues here. Like this "unless he counterpicked the other mid laner, you can counter pick the fuck out of him with either a fiddlesticks or a kayle" This is not counter play! A person is not outplaying Zed, they are not finding strategies or getting the upper-hand is some circumstance. They are finding that the champion that might be a good pick for their team or whatever has severe disadvantages, that they don't have opportunity or even a kit to counterplay. If their choice is "Pick Kayle or die to Zed" that's not outplaying, that's just outpicking. The scenario you're describing here is the that feared scenario of "Games being won in Champion Select". I don't think that is what anyone wants.

MrPerson102/24/2015, 10:10:27 AM1 votes

Zed's intended identity, not touch any of his assassination damage, but would still remove some of his unnecessary advantages like his wave clear.

The only problem I see with this is that all assassins have, at the very least, more than effective waveclear and mobility. If you take away either one, you'd have to buff his defensives for a lane - which might push him overtop.

"either buy a QSS or an Hourglass " You are shoehorned into building a specific JUST because Zed was picked, not because of strategy or how players perform, and have to already declare a "loss" by building a defensive item which for a lot of champions does not offer stats that would benefit them.

I can't think of a single champion that either item 3157 or item 3139 wouldn't benefit, especially if it meant the difference between dying to zed or him dying to you.

Knight SoIaire 2/24/2015, 10:18:33 AM1 votes

I don't see one thing from his kit that makes him OP.

mana regen nerfs realy buffed him

also the fact that with some gold he becomes the same unhealthy assasin that others were before nerfs (he gets damage big enough to kill you before the mark explodes)

also his counter itemization sucks, you get zhonyas? good job, you just bought an armguard into his brutalizer, also you wont finish it before lvl6 so he gets one kill for counteritemizing you better and goes for your adc since you have zhonyas and less gold you get mercurical, good job surviving his ult with that magic resist, you wont get enough gold for a bf at lvl6 so you wont get qqs either, not to mention that once he snowballs he wont even notice this item

you go for damage then its a skill matchup but zed's kit is 100% outplay so he can luck out and dodge something with his ult/clone, or just use it propertly and eat you

he isnt exactly op, but latest patches made his toxicity realy visible and annoying because mages cant spam at him so recklessly