Is Shyvana not a viable jungler?

Straiko1D·9/30/2016, 9:58:38 PM·2 votes·1,006 views

In my elo (Around gold 1 - plat 5) I try to run champions that can engage or begin teamfights. I've always wanted to try Shyv just because her kit seems badass and because the champ skin went on sale. I usually have a bit of trouble ganking but Ive gotten better but I never seem to do well late game...

I build devourer then tank items

Is it because she just isn't a good juingler right now? Is it because my team or I cannot initiate correctly with our team comp? I honestly dont know )^:

Shyvana

24 Comments

zXr6669/30/2016, 10:59:13 PM5 votes

Shyvana has always been a brawler/bruiser. Using nearly any champ in Jungle is possible, what is not possible is the use of 'Devourer' since 6.9 hit, you may be mistaking it for 'Bloodrazor', its successor. Back to the brawler/bruiser part, she is most dangerous when playing that fine line of damage/tankiness, not to be confused with Riots vison of Juggernauts.

While games generally don't last long enough to consider replacing your jungle item after a while, I find it to be a great idea, since eventually you will out-scale the jungle mobs, and focus mainly on helping the team as such there are better choice for that item slot especially since the jungle item mana regen is useless on non mana users, but still takes up item stat points. Further on the topic of itemization, once you get a tanky item or two, damage will need to be focused on, either Hydra will work. If you desire a more health based and regen approach, Titanic, but if you put more value into for AD Ravenous will work just as well, more so if you are able to throw in a BT.

item 3748 item 1401 item 3065 item 3083 item 3075 item 3111 -- Would be ideal at full build for as split tank game, take note that is Cinderhulk not Bloodrazor on Stalkers.

item 3074 item 1419 item 3065 item 3083 item 3072 item 3111 -- Would be a more ideal AD heavy, but the item 1419 & item 3083 are the two big swapping out items here, depending on what you need, as a more AD heavy team will warrant the need to go more towards: item 3075 & item 3742 or item 3068 or item 3143 depending on pref. While a more AP heavy team would need you to go: item 3102 & item 3190 or item 3512 or item 3026

NOTE: These builds are just suggestions to go by, for what one would shoot for if the game allows for a full build, I hope you get the general idea of what I was trying to show.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo9/30/2016, 10:01:32 PM3 votes

she is a good clear jungler, she farms til lvl 6 has no cc, no engage , team has to provide that for her.. she is a gold/item dependent jungler if you pick her you really have no pressure for ganks as a jungler. she was some what broken during the days of devour but she is 3rd tier now her win rate is 48.76% for 30th in jungle and pick rate of 2.39% for 27th..

Rivuo9/30/2016, 10:06:01 PM2 votes

Shyvana is just not a good champion right now. Im sure everyone can agree there are better options

(i want her to be viable because i want to play her but she is pretty trash right now)

Anonagon9/30/2016, 10:10:32 PM2 votes

She is a bit on the weaker side right now, but you can certainly make her work if you try

She doesn't scale well into the lategame in either damage or tankyness, so a lot of winning with Shyvana is abusing how much stronger you are than other champions in the early/mid game, and using that to secure a lead for your team that will end up in a win.

TyrekGoldenspear9/30/2016, 10:20:38 PM2 votes

If your lanes can handle themselves without babysitting, then Shyvana shines most then.

Mira Arya Enthe9/30/2016, 10:49:04 PM2 votes

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In my elo (Around gold 1 - plat 5) I try to run champions that can engage or begin teamfights. I've always wanted to try Shyv just because her kit seems badass and because the champ skin went on sale. I usually have a bit of trouble ganking but Ive gotten better but I never seem to do well late game...

I build devourer then tank items

Is it because she just isn't a good juingler right now? Is it because my team or I cannot initiate correctly with our team comp? I honestly dont know )^:

Shyvana

She has arguably the best clear in the game, can solo dragon early, can kill almost any other jungler 1v1 early to late game. But as a walking ball of stats with no CC she cannot gank very well without chilling/exhaust/red and she lacks late game power(35+ minutes) due to the fact that she scales more off of her own base stats and damage than AD/AP.

You want to basically push for a powerful early clear into counter jungling, only gank if it is an easy pick with chilling/red/exhaust. Focus on things like dragon and herald where you can force the enemies to either come to you or sacrifice the objective. Late game your job is only waveclear, AoE damage and trying to kill the enemy main carry. But if your team doesn't bring CC, you shouldn't be picking her at all. Try her with team comps like

Ashe Leona Annie Jax Shyvana For example would be a great comp for her. While...

Garen Yasuo Soraka MissFortune Shyvana Would be terrible, pick somebody like Amumu or Sej instead.

Grimspeake9/30/2016, 10:18:04 PM2 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=grimspeake

only gold 4 now but general mmr of my games is gold 1-plat5 havent played much since 6.9 patch tho, it really hurt shyv. she's still strong if ur gamesense is good and ur team wards but if they dont then ur kinda fucked. her lategame isnt 1v9 anymore its more 4v6 now.

my last ranked game on her http://imgur.com/CjnyQ2J

1st Movement9/30/2016, 10:12:09 PM2 votes

She's decent just abuse your ability to get levels on enemy jg and counter jungler and pressure

Just Blame Jenny10/1/2016, 11:32:29 AM1 votes

She's meh tier. You can do well with her, but there's no real reason to play her unless 1) you just happen to like her kit, or 2) you main her.

I feel she works best against junglers that she can reliably catch and 1v1. Her ganks are pretty poor, but she excels at counterjungling and setting the enemy jungler behind.

In team fights, you're going to need someone to lock down the enemy for you. As you've probably noticed, she may be really strong, but she's easily kited.

PiVoRx9/30/2016, 10:12:49 PM1 votes

Shyvana MasterYi XinZhao Udyr Warwick All are dumpstered

Mira Arya Enthe9/30/2016, 10:58:26 PM1 votes

Oh but to answer your original question. If you are looking for a strong clear and gank jungler in the current meta. Hecarim Gragas Graves

Are better options until they make changes to slows, armor pen and on hit items in preseason. Shyvana sucks for engaging fights, she has no hard CC(a wonky knock back on her ult that sometimes doesn't even work) and her ult is her only 'engage' and disengage tool in her kit. She has zero peel.

You play her like Olaf or Tryndamere or Udyr. You use her to split push and be a powerhouse duelist, kill nearly anybody 1v1. If you aren't looking for this kind of gameplay, she likely isn't for you.

Sire Hippington10/1/2016, 12:21:38 AM1 votes

Well, shy isn't a good jungler, neither is she a bad one. The issue is that prettymuch all her power comes from good early dueling and fast jungleclears, she completely relys on farming away early and absueing the resulting gold+xp lead midgame. At even gold and xp, shy simiply is weak. She runes through the jungle to fill her back of gold, and then she beats people to death with that back of gold. So the important thing to learn on her to do well is effective pathing, counterjungleing and counterganks. Her kit is pretty bad for ganking herself unless your opponent overextends massively, and she's simply not a good teamfighter unless she has a solid lead. And lategame, she simply sucks, both because melee--tanky-dps falls off hard once the oppsing Damgedealers reach 5+items and because her main strength, getting a gold and xp lead, falls flat once everyone reaches lvl 18 and 5+ items.

Also, Shyvana isn't a good champ to engage or begin teamfights, she lacks the needed cc to do so. She works best if you come in with your ult from the flank or behind once the teamfight already started Else you just strand in an enemy team that kits backwards and kills you while your team can't follow up because you have nothing to sopt the enemy team from retreating.

IF you want engage, try Amumu Gragas JarvanIV Sion Sejuani Vi Zac

Keti10/1/2016, 12:42:18 AM1 votes

There's nearly always a better champion you could pick over shyvana.

NotCounter10/1/2016, 1:23:51 AM1 votes

she's good at powerfarming and spitpushing. tbh she seems like a useless pick when champions like graves exist but she still is fun to play at least in my opinion

Dracocrash10/1/2016, 10:37:11 AM1 votes

Can I give you an unpopular opinion.

Cinderhulk -> bork -> randuins/frozenmallet/titanic hydra (all situational) is the BEST shyvanna. no joke.

Trust me this build allows you to toewr dive, make 1v2 plays etc.

Xeruon10/1/2016, 11:22:11 AM1 votes

Too bad Shyv's a hair's width away from being as deep in the dumpster as Kalista.