Have I Proven Myself Riot?

BugsLivesMatters·8/22/2019, 8:16:29 AM·24 votes·11,736 views
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Linked my op.gg so you can see my match history. The game I want to talk about was my most recent match as Renekton with the Yi and Jhin on my team. I am currently in Silver 3 and was on a three-win streak. On the fourth game I get these two put on my team; the Yi, who is BRONZE 3 (a whole tier below me) with a 23 percent winrate! and the Jhin who is BRONZE 1 with a 47 percent winrate. I mean, wtf.

The team I am against, surely they also have some bronze players too. Nope. All silver with 2 of them a division higher than myself.

So what gives? Why am I matched WITH players lower than me, but AGAINST players that are higher than me? Should matches not consist of, at the very least, players in THE SAME TIER?

I mean, we won the match. But it was a massive headache. Almost all towers were destroyed by me. I had the highest cs by a longshot. I had to constantly ping my team to not go into the deep, dark and unwarded jungle while the enemy team was mia.

I am by no means a top tier player, I only have a 63 percent winrate. It's not like I'm a diamond smurf with an 85 percent winrate. In what universe is this match considered a fair matchup? I honestly dread the next game. Am I gonna have a team full of bronzes and irons against a premade gold team?

Jesus Christ....

26 Comments

Z3SIeeper8/22/2019, 8:46:39 AM3 votes

Nice Yorick [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Also there are approximately 218k players that are ranked on the OCE server last I heard and not necessarily active players. There's a high chance that the matchmaking system just wants you to get in game.

What are your typical queue times? Here it's about 30+s at lower ranks.

Doesn't excuse that the system doesn't shuffle those players within that game to make it more even though.

Dahaaka8/22/2019, 10:32:59 AM2 votes

It doesn't considered a fair matchup, because again it's something that riot does not pay attention right now. When you are winning a lot of games, ur winrate grows, you are climbing, the system starts to put u with players 47%>wr in order to slow you down to ~50% wr. That is of course not fair if you are tryhard player.

Right now i am D4 with 53%, i ve spent 370 games this season with such matchmaking, and i had pretty much the same. Got p1 from p4 fast with wr of 55-60 and then "punished" by the system with 10-17 loses in a row to 49-50 wr, that happened twice this season. There is literally no filter, a game full of diamonds and a game full of silvers you get the same experience. Every game there's 2-5 people who flame each other just to flame, people who int because of 1 death, an afker maybe, and etc. Basically a coinflip, you never know what will happen next.

Which means, if you a see a dia player, don't surrend and if you see a bronze don't relax.

Clone Is Friend8/22/2019, 11:13:36 AM2 votes

what i find helpful is never looking op.gg it just makes your mind about the game worse. atleast then i can say that maybe they just had a bad game. it helps to not tilt from these unfairities

IllIllIlllllll8/22/2019, 5:40:24 PM2 votes

If you're actually trying to climb you would check your teammates win-rate before the match starts and dodge accordingly

xelaker8/22/2019, 1:35:51 PM1 votes

Riot could not give less of a care about matchmaking

Starcraft243ver8/22/2019, 3:22:50 PM1 votes

The only thing you proved is that you do not understand the ranking system. Stop looking at the fucking ranks, they are not revelant, the only important part is the MMR.

Also :

  • The Yi is bronze 1 (not bronze 3, it seems that op.gg was a bit behind)
  • The Yi is premade with kiss of noob who was the pyke (Silver 2)

So it seems that Bronze 1 + Silver 2 = around Silver 3,

Nothing weird in that.

But still, you should not look at ranks. The matchmaking does NOT look at ranks and never looked at ranks. It just checks MMR.

Madjack018/22/2019, 8:54:49 AM1 votes

63wr looks pretty good to me so matchmaking might be trying to compensate for your skill level that's apparently too high for your division.

That's a big might though.

munguskiller8/22/2019, 8:52:31 PM1 votes

its not so bad playing against good players, it sucks playing with bad ones

Noctael8/22/2019, 9:52:55 PM1 votes

It's a bit ridiculous how bad matchmaking is.

For example, here's a game where Riot decided I just needed to lose one: https://imgur.com/a/OKiLcrS

By the time you see a Jinx rush Shiv first item, a Morgana rush the complete sighstone with no sweeper against a Teemo, and a Kayle who clearly doesn't know anything about...well..anything, it's pretty obvious something's wrong. I'm not saying I played perfectly, the enemy Graves seemed to be on my tail regardless of where I went, but given the performance history of the enemy Teemo, it's evident that it's a smurf.

Also, we can clearly see the "streaky" tendencies of matchmaking in my recent game history. Proof: https://imgur.com/a/HvQGazr

You can basically pick almost any of those games, and it's evident it was a one sided stomp in either direction. The only reason games in my Elo and lower seem 50/50 is because people aren't smart enough to learn how to end or push their advantage. Example? Everyone's familiar with, "We just aced the enemy team in top jungle. Shall we take tower? Baron? Dragon? Clear the enemy jungle so they lose those resources? No, our ADC thinks it better to go botlane to catch 3 caster minions."

The worst part about this streaky behaviour? It's very easy to ruin an account's MMR and extremely difficult to fix it.

There's no way that my performance swings THIS wildly. I pretty consistently don't feed in lane. The games that I do have a rather poor KDA, 1/4, 2/6, etc. The deaths generally happen once "teamfighting" starts, and I just get blown up by whoever my teammate fed in #dmgmeta2019.

Climbing in this game doesn't really feel like it's about skill anymore. It's just about which team has more apes. If it's yours? You're SOL. If it's theirs? You may as well AFK and the game's outcome wouldn't change a bit. Honestly, lately I feel like when I lose, I've just lost before champ select. I lost when I made the wrong decision about whether I should dodge or not.

Of course, there's going to be people who will say, "Well how can people who are Diamond/Challenger shoot straight into high elo? Clearly if you can't, it just means you're not good enough." That's easy enough to explain. Once you play at that level, you learn where you can exploit a low elo player's weaknesses/blind spots. However, it's a great example of circular logic. You learn how to play at a Diamond level by playing at a Diamond level. So to get to that level, you have to play there to begin with.

One last thing, and this really bothers me. It's not enough to average out team MMR to make a game "quickly". There is a drastic difference between a gold 3 and a silver 2. And putting a team of G4/G4/G3/G3/G4 and G1/G1/S2/S2/S2 together puts the latter team at an insane disadvantage. At the very least people of closest MMR should be facing each other. We've all seen what happens when both teams have a P1 and a G2 and the laning matches are P1/G2 and P1/G2.

KnKitsune8/23/2019, 2:13:53 AM1 votes

I had an Iron Duo with literally a 14% winrate in my Silver game. And they were blatant trolls.

VvVVvV8/23/2019, 5:49:09 AM1 votes

Game doesnt match you by your rank, it matches you by your MMR. A person can sit on 0 LP and lose more than they win but not enough to get demoted a tier. Like sitting on Silver IV 0 LP, it will take a lot of losses to get sent back to Bronze. If they still do that, idk. But my point is when you suddenly go on long win streaks and promote, your MMR is still going to be low compared to your rank. So that is how sometimes you get matched with people lower rank than you is because while Silver 3, your MMR is not Silver 3, its lower. Also when people duo, if a lower ranked player duos with someone higher than them they will get into your games.

BackdoorPrincess8/23/2019, 6:35:27 AM1 votes

Signs that Elo not tied to rank is a bad design also, as to "balance it out" the system puts you at a disadvantage. Tbh, since I haven't really played ranked since S3 I thought hey I'll try it out this year, might be fun, then I get placed in Iron, as I wasn't ranked last year, even though I have plats/dia's in my placements the whole time

Like yeah no I'm not trying to go through promos from Iron up like this man

Mortismo8/24/2019, 10:17:38 PM1 votes

MMR isnt same as rank