How do I tell jg not to help me without hurting his/her feelings?

TheLazySunbro·9/8/2016, 6:08:07 AM·26 votes·2,252 views

Singed I always tell my jg in champ select and start of the match ''Don't come top, help out Mid or Bot''

But they always come over top lane

Not sure if I should tell them in champ select ''Fuck you dude'' ''bronzie''

So I could just get this Amumu item 3070 ''I won't gank top''

Edit: Only reason I dont like getting ganks is because, I already know I won lane I dont need your help

55 Comments

DemainaNyx9/8/2016, 7:18:36 AM11 votes

Nasus has the same problem.

Nasus : Gonna freeze the wave outside of tower and farm. LeeSin : Must kill top laner.

The best thing I would do is tell them to ping long before they want to gank. Like, say they are at blue and the wave is pushing into your tower, if they were to ping then that they are thinking of coming top, hopefully that gives you enough time to take that into considering and thin the wave/get some poke. If you told them you don't want ganks, then that's about the best you can do cause they are still people with minds and will do whatever the heck they want regardless of what you tell them.

statelesskiller9/8/2016, 11:20:58 AM11 votes

explain WHY you dont want them to gank

no really. just like straight up tell them "dont come top. no matter what you see. im going to do stupid things and i dont want to involve you" and if they still dont get it explain what singed as a champion is supposed to do "my job is to waste there time chasing me and allow you as a jungler to create pressure whenever you want by constantly attracting there jungler top"

DunkinNoobs9/8/2016, 1:43:40 PM7 votes

Ask him for a gank. That'll make sure he never comes up there.

Maximum Morde9/8/2016, 2:23:08 PM6 votes

Pick Teemo and say something in Arabic. They will not come to top lane then.

superLEIA9/8/2016, 6:12:07 AM5 votes

Just say you'll ping him when you feel you're in trouble, otherwise he should focus other lanes.

agbudar9/9/2016, 4:26:10 AM4 votes

{quoted}

Edit: Only reason I dont like getting ganks is because, I already know I won lane I dont need your help

but thats the point we gank winning lanes so we get easy kills/xp/gold and drop them even further down the disadvantag they got.

no one in this game is gonna pass up a free kill certainly not a free tower.(debatable but me as a jungler il smack that turret at every oportunity)

oSEXYPLATYPUSo9/8/2016, 7:10:24 AM3 votes

man when does a jungler come top lane anyways?

Sorin Alucard9/8/2016, 6:13:49 AM3 votes

laughing. hard. oh the feels XD

PLS COME JG

FUK YOU TOP

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

TyrekGoldenspear9/8/2016, 1:13:29 PM3 votes

Say whatever you want to say but with <3 at the end. For example...

Jng I don't need you top. Help the others. <3

This shows that you are speaking out of love. I am not responsible if any relationships blossom from that conversation.

Nameless Voice9/8/2016, 2:31:06 PM2 votes

Honest question: why don't you want ganks?

Depending on which jungler I'm playing (and, let's face it, it's going to be Eve), I love a Singed top because he is a really good initiator who can very easily enable me to get kills. Singed flings an enemy towards me and I burst them down - an awesome combination.

As a jungler, and especially as an assassin jungler, I want to get kills so I get strong and can have more impact (in other lanes and teamfights.) If I'm playing a jungler where Singed offers a good chance of kills, I should go there to give us the best chance to win.

(Obviously it depends a lot on the champion used by the enemy top laner and the two junglers.)

Aldapsayar9/8/2016, 7:50:37 PM2 votes

IMO you have to explain them. When top just says "Don't help me", "don't show up on my lane". I know they will feed bc they're salty aggromaniacs for the most of the times. But fairly saying, I always follow their request till they start losing tower. Other rare times it works, and I only go there when I am asked for help. But Its just better to explain so your jungler knows whats up and doesn't spend time analyzing your lane.

And Shaco... just keep lane pushed deep and good Shaco should never appear on your lane

Swiftstrike49/8/2016, 8:45:52 PM2 votes

I main Nasus and I usually do not like the jungler coming top to my lane because they can mess up my early wave management and farm.

But I completely understand WHY they come top a lot. I am usually shoved to my tower, I offer one of the best slows in the game at level 2, and the jungler can save their gap closer for AFTER the duration of wither.

If they come top and I have a huge wave I ping them back. If my jungler keeps coming, I wither the enemy, but I do not help in autoing if I am farming under tower. If the jungler is about to die I will then give up the farm.

The jungler dying to my laning opponent is probably the worst situation in the early game as a Nasus main. If they are facing death I will blow everything to try to save them. Most junglers back off after a flash is burned by the top laner.

I do think junglers should avoid coming top if a dragon is up, unless they plan to do rift herald afterwards. In general, helping a lane that is losing usually does not provide the greatest benefit to the team. But helping lanes that are ahead or competent are GOOD for the team.

If you are the best player on the team and that is very obvious to the jungler that you are, you both will basically be buddies. Just even a few games ago I played a normal with some friends that had a mix of Bronze Silver players on my team and the opponents had the same mix with a Diamond and plat player. My jungler was silver, but immediately recognized that I was the best player on the team and was up top a lot. We got the rift herald, first tower blood, some kills, and they helped me a lot during the game. They literally followed me around and helped me secure objectives and kills for the first 20 minutes of the game. So while they themselves were not statistically doing well, they really helped me get a huge lead and secure objectives and had 8 assists that contributed significantly to my 19 kills.

The point of the anecdote is that junglers gravitating towards your lane when you are doing fine is typically the sign of a good jungler. Helping lanes that are losing does not typically help the team overall (or rather) it has less impact. Junglers should only help lanes that are even, ahead, or only slightly behind. If the player got behind against an opponent it signifies that they are not quite as good against their laner(s) and that it is very likely that if you help them catch up they will eventually fall behind again.

I am not a great jungler, but I recognize what I am suppose to do though and focus primarily on objectives (towers, dragon, rift, baron). I really dislike the role because I think it gets blamed a lot for losses. The problem is that when lanes fall behind they always expect help, and I play a jungler that doesn't do much until level 6. Even then, I tend to not help losing lanes.

Honestly, I think it is the Elo. Good junglers understand the right times to gank, while lower elo junglers only have an idea of the right times to gank.

  • Bronze jungler - Hardly farm and just gank OR they ONLY farm and never gank. I actually prefer the ones that just farm.
  • Silver junglers - Try to gank too often. They think it is their job to only gank, get kills and help lanes snow ball. They are really bad at objective control and knowing when to baron
  • Gold junglers - Typically they balance ganking and objectives pretty well. They are better at ganking safely too and not taking high risk ganks. The biggest problem they have is that Gold junglers typically do the same things around the same time. Counter ganks happen a lot and it is almost as if everything is scheduled for them.
  • Plat junglers - I have only started playing against or with low plat players recently since getting to higher gold. Most of them try to make plays more often. They make riskier moves for objectives or in ganks that are great when they pay-off, but disastrous when they do not. They definitely have more global impact though.
Ralanr9/8/2016, 2:16:06 PM1 votes

It's funny because I can barely get a gank when I ask for one.

Just tell him the lane is a lost cause. That usually works for me. Often because it's true.

Troy2426219/8/2016, 2:18:06 PM1 votes

Well at least see it from the jungler's perspective. Some junglers (LeeSin Shaco Elise etc.) need to roll the enemies early game, and asking this of them basically cuts their options for ganking by a third. Furthermore, it makes it significantly harder to get top tower or herald, two things that all junglers really like getting.

Having said that, I'd just say, "Hey, please focus on mid and top, trying to freeze lane to farm."

ABlueQuaker9/8/2016, 1:22:14 PM1 votes

Ping careful on your lane opponent if they ever look like they're about to gank. Then say 'dw man go help mid get ahead I got this shit ezpz'.

TotalJerk9/8/2016, 11:32:48 AM1 votes

I've never heard of a jungler that disregards a request that their lane not be ganked.

Catastrop9/8/2016, 2:33:50 PM1 votes

"I'm doing fine, just help the other lane. If anything I'll ping when I want the help." Works for me.

Hyperiön9/8/2016, 3:52:16 PM1 votes

Don't ask for it, and if they come, so be it, most likely end up in a free kill.

Supreme Senpai699/9/2016, 9:20:54 AM1 votes

Morgana Jhin -pushed up to tower- XinZhao "Gonna come gank" Morgana "Please don't, we're slightly winning lane and don't really need the help. Feel free to help mid or maybe just farm up" XinZhao -pings on my way to bot lane's enemy tower- Jhin "No, really. They're both full HP and I have twice his CS, there's no need" XinZhao -ults both enemies under tower- Morgana Jhin -sighs and goes in- Enemy triple kill!! XinZhao "Idiots I'm not ganking bot again" Morgana "But he just got a 900 gold lead and is pushed up to our turret...."

I either never get ganks, which is almost always the case with the way premades exclusively gank their friends lane at the exclusion of every other lane, or this happens. I've learned to play without ganks and all I ask from my jungler is for them to not feed and to be botside 30 seconds before dragon is up. They usually feed the most despite having no lane opponent and are ganking top 5 seconds before drag spawns, but that's just my bad luck.

ItsOrval9/8/2016, 8:21:15 PM1 votes

I say that everytime, but they come top anyways. And when i say "Amumu camping my lane, please help", they never come. Maybe I should start doing the opposite.

AdeBug9/9/2016, 6:31:31 PM1 votes

even if you're doing good, kills wise, they would still want the assist money, just tell em you're freezing

JediSenpaiNP9/8/2016, 8:46:01 PM1 votes

Tell them top will be fine, and to snowball the other lanes. reassure them through the game if they doubt you. thats what usually gets me to leave you guys alone

Shrek Luigi9/8/2016, 9:16:57 PM1 votes

Take them out for a nice dinner and pick up the tab. I could never have hurt feelings by someone if they took me out for dinner >__>;

Papa Slothy9/8/2016, 10:56:29 PM1 votes

just say "i'm fine top, work on pressuring mid and bot"

SpookyNeedle9/8/2016, 11:41:06 PM1 votes

I usually say, camp mid or bot, I'm fine top for now

Aatrox Mid 1v59/9/2016, 3:19:54 AM1 votes

{quoted}

Singed I always tell my jg in champ select and start of the match &#039;&#039;Don&#039;t come top, help out Mid or Bot&#039;&#039;

But they always come over top lane

Not sure if I should tell them in champ select &#039;&#039;Fuck you dude&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;bronzie&#039;&#039;

So I could just get this Amumu item 3070 &#039;&#039;I won&#039;t gank top&#039;&#039;

Edit: Only reason I dont like getting ganks is because, I already know I won lane I dont need your help

i laughed to this more than i probably should have...

Sylvant9/8/2016, 6:47:31 AM1 votes

ppl see the jungler wrongly as the slave on call who need to be there and help you when you need or if you dont he shouldnt. He is a player just like everyone else, who wants to get high on gold, have a nice game, be ahead and win. If there is a good gank opportunity why wouldnt he go and use it? Especially this season i found out its much better to gank successful lanes and not mess in lanes that feed, because at the end chances are, instead of help them, you get behind aswell. Its ok to tell them, if you need help, or if you dont, but you cant expect them to obey your bidding, they are just players as you who have something to say

Limrick9/9/2016, 6:52:09 AM1 votes

Make it seem like a good idea to gank other lanes, rather than asking them to ignore yours. People will naturally react more positively to things that are positive ("bot has no summs, easy gank">don't bother coming top). If you tell them not to come top, that implies that you don't think you need them, which can make some people react by trying to prove themselves. Which is why they gank anyways. Drop subtle hints, so they think it's their idea to ignore your lane.

It's manipulative, but it's better than being a dick to them outright.

EndlessSorcerer9/8/2016, 1:45:27 PM1 votes

"Please don't come top lane. I'm just going to be farming and wasting the enemy team's time, so take advantages elsewhere with that pressure."

Honestly, a lot of players seem to have issues with just letting their ally's do their own thing. I run into this problem most-often with splitpushers.

If I have just dragged 3 enemies away and led them on a merry chase (and died doing so), I do not want my team to come help me. I just want them to push something else with the time I've been wasting.

For Singed in particular, your jungler will probably avoid your lane once you start proxy farming. While they may try to assist you in lane if they think they can get an easy kill, there isn't really any point in going to your lane if you are behind the enemy towers.

Though, you have to consider why the jungler may be coming top. Personally, I may try to help a lane which doesn't want assistance if I believe it is the best chance of winning the game or getting myself fed enough to help elsewhere. Even if you don't need assistance, we will both have a much easier time with an early kill or two.

The Deckowner9/8/2016, 2:11:54 PM1 votes

"i main nasus, don't come to my farmland"

that is how u say it