Too many champions have the counterplay of "just don't be that champion vs them" now

AhernfVy·12/11/2019, 4:22:27 AM·37 votes·8,397 views

If you play Udyr into Mordekaiser you lose. Period. There is not one single thing you can do that game to beat him if he's with 5 kills of you. You just lose the matchup and you can go fuck yourself if you want to be able to do anything about it.

Any tank at all into this garbage Vayne . You lose. You won't have any fun and you won't get to tank shit.

Teemo into any melee without any ranged abilities (Mordekaiser probably wins this match up too cuz why balance the game!). Bonus points if you rely on auto attacks!

Why is this a thing? Because damage is too high so building defensively is never better than building damage. Ever. Period. You no longer can make meaningful choices with the items that you build. And if you try to you'll get fucked by something (conqueror, true damage, massive amounts of armor and magic dmg shred). We need more meaningful choices and the only way to do this is nerfing damage A LOT.

77 Comments

Ragnaveil12/11/2019, 5:02:19 AM29 votes

Hey man, dont forget this sack of unbalanced shit countering anything that is melee because Riot overtuned her passive. Fiora

Hayaishi212/11/2019, 5:09:31 AM19 votes

Riot doesn't balance around game health anymore and it shows.

Keiaga12/11/2019, 4:33:38 AM10 votes

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Paroe12/11/2019, 5:19:02 AM9 votes

If you think Udyr cant duel a morde, youve never met an Udyr top with conq. tiger stance, sheen, and a specters cowl.

ZephyrDrake12/11/2019, 5:27:37 AM5 votes

It is very good that the game isn't balanced around 1v1s then right? Like what is the point of this? "Rito I can't win in a 1v1 champion must be broken/weak! Buff/nerd plox!"?

Predatorator12/11/2019, 8:41:31 AM4 votes

The argument May be right, but the examples are poor. Even in the thoughtest matchups, you can Just farm and watch for his grab. Udyr is a great duelist, and if he itemizes good, you can zoom in and out to wear morde off. You,'re faster than him, you got a stun on a relatively short cd. You can wait for ganks etc. Not every matchup should be a mindless stomp. Sometimes you Just have to sit back and wait, build up your items etc. Of the morde doesn't get any kills, he'll be manageable. Teemo is the same, you'll give up some farm, but if you build defensive, and wait for ganks, he'll be manageable.
From a skarner top.

StormBladeMaster12/11/2019, 1:21:08 PM4 votes

Counterpicks always have been a problem. When a champ kit make another one useless, then you start the game with a huge disadvantage because you can't exploit your champ.

For example : Irelia vs Poppy. There nothing you can do. Poppy W make entire Irelia kit useless and not a single item help vs this situation.

Squishies melee champ vs Vladimir or Ryze... Impossible to lane vs, and even farming is hard. Teemo isn't the biggest problem. Teemo is squishy. I have beaten him with XinZhao.

For me the problem is Vladimir Ryze who have more HP than you, deal insane dmg and who are super safe + who can poke you easily too.

Teemo is a joke when you compare to them. Have you ever played Camille vs Vladimir ? Impossible matchup. If i try to engage, Vlad put his W and escape while slowing me and dealing dmg with his E. Then he regens his HP even if i buy item 3123.

  • Camille is squishy and seing a ranged Vlad being tankier than me is horrible.

Sona vs Leona Thresh Blitzcrank Pyke . Except playing undertower, there nothing you can do. You can even get towerdived.

Vayne top may be annoying but in most case, she is useless, let me explain why :

Vayne is squishy. She is not Vladimir with his 3000 HP pool and 500 AP with healing. If you engage her with your jungler, she is dead. You even have tanks like Malphite who can engage her easily with their ulti.

Picking Vayne top mean that the enemy team is likely to have no tanks or no frontline.

Vladimir can be frontline. With all the Hp and dmg he has, there is no problem for him to be in front of his team. But Vayne ? She can't. And if her team lack of tankiness, they will lose on composition.

It's the same thing with Teemo. Teemo is squishy. If you pick him, you must be 100% sure you will delete your opponent because you lose on team compo. Teemo has nothing to teamfight correctly.

Kennen Vladimir Ryze Kayle are the biggest problem in top lane. More than Teemo and Vayne.

Ryze and Vlad are tanky, deal big dmg, can regen, can poke and they have a decent teamfighting.

Kennen may not be tanky but compared to Teemo, a flash Kennen ulti with protobelt is a winning teamfight.

And Kayle ulti is OP. I've never seen such an OP ulti as Kayle. 3s immunity to dmg + big zone dmg. Paired with any champs who can engage, this ulti is a massive "free win".

Couterpicks are more problematic now because there is no more defense options. Laning vs Vlad as squishy melee ? What can you do ? You can try to go magic resist but you will lose dmg or you won't have armor to tank the adc...

While Vladimir only build item 3065 item 3089 and AP items and he gets 4000 HP with a lot of AP. + He has no mana cost!

Because you have less defensive options, you must recall more often and turrets give golds with plates. So your opponents win on the pick and not on the plays. He win because he picked a strong champ that counter mine, i'm forced to recall and he can free attack my turrets and free farm to gain gold.

And now with Drakes pressure, Top lane isn't interessing if you don't have a good matchup.

Yaskamasandwich12/11/2019, 2:56:31 PM4 votes

Due to power creep, champions that are overloaded, broken kits, and overturned, the game is decided more by counter picks than skill these days. Just look at all the "X champion is OP" threads. The responses are always "Pick Y champion that counters!" Before when people asked for advice what always came up was "Build these items you usually don't build, play differently, roam early, push harder" etc. Such is the way with power creep.

p3tm4ster12/11/2019, 4:58:42 AM2 votes

You're right and here's the fundamental problem. There are 2 types of champions at the core of this game, ranged and melee. Now traditionally ranged has a TON of damage but no survivability. And melee had a ton of survivability but not that much damage. Now they have too many melee champs that simply destroy you in 1 or 2 shots. And their survivability hasn't dropped off, their damage has simply been amplified to the point of where range has no chance against them anymore, you can't outdmg them and you can't outkite them, because at some point endgamish they will absolutely demolish you.

PhearBunny12/11/2019, 12:20:59 PM2 votes

Teemo doesnt win games, he loses games. Vayne top doesnt win games, it breaks team compositions and makes her team lose more often than not. Mordekaiser...yeah he hard counters things, and makes them irrelevant while also being a functional part of the team. His ult is a bad mechanic.

Lovelle12/11/2019, 9:45:32 PM2 votes

New Morde wins a ton of matchups with low effort, it's not just an Udyr problem. However, I agree that defensive itemization and runes need to be a lot better scaling-wise.