Am I the only person who feels like to beat these champs you have to put in a lot more effort then the enemy does? I just feel like you have to play alot smarter then them and they can play just kinda willy nilly. Anyone else agree? Im not trying to sound salty/toxic I just think you have to play alot better then they do to beat them.
You're not wrong. Their kits give them a lot more options than others. This allows them to be more creative with their abilities and this outplay people easier.
But having more options means they can make more mistakes, which you need to punish them for.
Yasuo's power is all about the enemy minions based on my observation. He needs targets to be very mobile (1v1 doesn't give him many options) and he needs to land his Q twice to proc the knock up. He's all about exploiting a normal means of defense, your own minions.
The strength of mostly is that you can't choose your fights against him. He fucked up big time? Just ults you and walks away, or ward-dash away. The other ones are more subtle, I think champions like , 
are fine because when they're in melee, they can't really get out (unless there's the one salvator minion you dash to). They stay. The others can usually dash/blink away. is extremely dependant on minions though, but when there are a bunch, he's dashing like there's no tomorrow.
I agree with most, but I feel Diana doesn't fit into the list.
I'm not saying Yas is easy to play well, just that to beat a well-played yasuo you need to outplay him hard (or counterpick)
I don't think it should be called "outplaying" when one champion's kit allows them to easily dodge skillshots, burst, take less damage, etc... Just because they can dodge spells with their three dashes, it doesn't make them better than the Brand who has no mobility and has to hit two spells to stun them.
The problem with Diana is her huge ratio's. Get hit with one Q, which has a 70% AP ratio, you're going to eat 2 Rs, and two balls from Pale Cascade.
So for a little over 365 mana she'll have used her entire spell list to its maximum effect and clubbed you for (75+50%)*2, 250+80%, 200+70%, 210+60%, and 440+120%. Let me put this into (moon)light... Diana was designed to be an AP FIGHTER. Not a full AP assassin.
But all of these champions deserve to be here. If you get hit with one thing, you're doomed. Diana, Yasuo, or Lee hit a Q? Well, you'd best hope they decide that they can't instantly burst you. Because Yasuo will hop right on your dick through minions, Lee will just Kung-Lao flying kick your teeth in, and Diana will pretty much get a free ult on you.
Fizz... All he's gotta do is use his stupidly low fucking cooldown untargetability and burst you, quite literally, within 0.2 seconds. He doesn't even need his Shark, but with it he might not even need to Q you. Just R and E.
Zed... He's a god damn problem. He is so simple that it's easy to tell what he's going to do, but you have nothing you CAN do other than buy one of two items: 
or 
.
For these 5, you gotta put in at least double the work they do in order to come out alive. To say they don't have their weaknesses is wrong:
Zed has a tough lane if you can dodge the shuriken,
Yasuo is vulnerable to poke, just keep autoing him now and then when he moves in to get a minion.
Diana is so damn susceptible to ganks if she pushes past mid-way in lane, which she does naturally because of her passive.
Fizz players, unfortunately, need our wishes and support that Chemotherapy goes well. Cancer is a terrible thing.
Lee is Lee. He has his weakness. It's his eye-sight and tendency to try for them LC$ B1G PL4YZ.
i can only speak for myself but i by no means play will nilly with Yasuo I actually play as precisely as possible with him its just that similar with Zed jumping around with his shadows you have to dash around and jump all over the play to stack well just about everything about Yasuo and to avoid cc because contrary to belief cc will destroy yasuo literally 1 hard cc and yasuo is toast
setting your self up in good positions to weave your aa's with your q and then hop out
avoiding situations where i have to waste windwall because i don't have an escape minion and Yasuo is actually quite immobile when hes not in a minion wave etc
the problem people have to work so hard to beat him is because they wont take 10 minutes to learn how to actually play against him, ive posted about it before on the boards its laughable the amount of times i've beat hard counters to yasuo (yes there are a lot of them :D) because they simply play straight into Yasuo's strengths.
Yeah, but at the same time it feels so much more satisfying out playing champions such as these.
When I'm playing and win a trade I secretly say in my head "That'll teach you LC$ BIG PLAY$ CHAMPION"
I still don't get the yasuo complaints I never have issues with him as a mid main. And I still think he's one of the hardest champs to play
Well the reason their lives seem easy is because the person playing them probably mains them or is plat and above. They're so good at it that it SEEMS easy. Give these champs to some random silver nabs who main WW/Kayle/Annie, they'll feed until their enemies have diabetes. Only exception is Fizz. An inbred monkey with head trauma can survive lane with him.
Well I wouldn't call what does an "outplay". Q-R-R doesn't exactly require much skill to execute and has similar bullshit level of burst to 
.
Only Fizz, his kit is the definition of "toxic design". As for Zed/Lee/Yasuo, I feel like people who pick them are counterplaying themselves half the time, so I actually hate getting them on my team.
Different playstyles. Of course there are champs better at 1v1 in lane/jungle but then what about TF? What can be said about fizz being dominate in lane can be said about TF being dominate in side lanes. Outplay potential yes, but all champs are good at particular things.
I disagree on Diana...
her kit is not versatile at all, is stiff and pretty straightforward. She might feel oppresive but she is not hard to outplay at all
some champions have way higher outplay potential than others. some other champs have 0. point and click. both have positives and negatives. the higher the skill cap goes the more advantage the outplay champions get.
They are strong duelists but they contribute overall less to the team as a whole.
Other champs like 
and 
have no real "outplay" potential but they are the types of champs that actually win games.
They're way too forgiving. You could be winning lane against Fizz and it only takes one mistake for him to kill you and snowball.
