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What exactly is Azir and how can a Melee play against him?

Mael Jade·2/28/2019, 5:23:42 PM·3 votes·1,452 views

Why is Azir allowed to be an anti melee anti diver high safety hypercarry long range mage? Playing any melee champion with a reasonable amount of gap closers, I will use Diana as an example, means you are completely fucked. You will get bullied out of lane from level 1 to level 6 (alright, thats normal) and after you got your R which finally gives you some way of getting on top of him he still counters you because a)His ult is a free disengage that either knocks you back from him or into his turret, b)he can farm with his soldiers from a range that is higher then your QR combo (which you need to engage on him because of a and c) or c) he just dashes away to a soldier, putting him outside of your own range or he can just d)flash away when none of the other options are available. So even if you somehow managed to get on top of him, force him to use his R and then get onto him again thanks to your R reset he still gets away safely. And following this he is stronger in every single stage of the game and at a 3 item point with Ludens, Nashors, Rylai it is completely impossible to fight him. Either he engages on you and perma slows you with soldiers or you engage on him, he dashes away and then perma slows and kites you.

Tldr: What is a melee champion without 20 dashes and or blinks supposed to do against him? And dont say "wait for jungle ganks" since all of his escapes work against those too and we dont have a high range cc jungler every game to just lock him down.

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Rustypug2/28/2019, 5:34:10 PM4 votes

heres how i counter azir https://cdn.dopl3r.com/memes_files/hey-birb-want-sum-seed-yos-Bmhuw.jpg

Yago2/28/2019, 5:44:42 PM2 votes

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Why is Azir allowed to be an anti melee anti diver high safety hypercarry long range mage? Playing any melee champion with a reasonable amount of gap closers, I will use Diana as an example, means you are completely fucked. You will get bullied out of lane from level 1 to level 6 (alright, thats normal) and after you got your R which finally gives you some way of getting on top of him he still counters you because a)His ult is a free disengage that either knocks you back from him or into his turret, b)he can farm with his soldiers from a range that is higher then your QR combo (which you need to engage on him because of a and c) or c) he just dashes away to a soldier, putting him outside of your own range or he can just d)flash away when none of the other options are available. So even if you somehow managed to get on top of him, force him to use his R and then get onto him again thanks to your R reset he still gets away safely. And following this he is stronger in every single stage of the game and at a 3 item point with Ludens, Nashors, Rylai it is completely impossible to fight him. Either he engages on you and perma slows you with soldiers or you engage on him, he dashes away and then perma slows and kites you.

Tldr: What is a melee champion without 20 dashes and or blinks supposed to do against him? And dont say "wait for jungle ganks" since all of his escapes work against those too and we dont have a high range cc jungler every game to just lock him down.

His champion design doesn't lend itself to any weaknesses. That's why Azir was nerfed into the ground. Unfortunately, he was released the way he was and players have grown attached to his kit which makes it hard for Riot to fix him.

Sir Saltarin2/28/2019, 6:09:14 PM2 votes

Azir is the champion released in the last 5 years with the most broken by design kit.

That's why he needs to be gutted every time he does slightly non terrible on SoloQ, the last buff to Azir was a mistake, that champ should never be buffed and needs a real rework.

ContDeCaterinca12/28/2019, 5:33:04 PM1 votes

Disclaimer, I have no idea how Azir is supposed to be played, never played him, rarely faced him.

But from what I noticed: -He is squishy -He needs to send his soldiers to a place using Q, so it's more of a danger area then straight up his soldiers just fucking you up all around -He needs to mind his Soldier charges -So weak without a solid frontline

Azir and Ryze can be broken champions, but there is a reason they have very low winrates considering they are so hard to play optimally.

Kazekiba2/28/2019, 5:35:48 PM1 votes

Watch someone playing Azir/against Azir in high elo. Or go to /r/AzirMains. Ask people with reputable experience in the match up.

Now, I'm not very good at the game and much less in solo lanes (jungle/Support main) but I've always had a lot of trouble fighting as Azir in melee range, because your E dash cant go anywhere and the W+Q takes too much time when there's nothing to dodge.

That said, Azir WAS designed to be a AP Marksman and balanced around fighting other mages/marksmen, so he's designed to go against Range, not assassins. Tanks just melt to him, as they should to any AA hyper carries like Jinx etc.