Riot views both Mordekaiser and Skarner as failed reworks.
should be added to that list. She might not be a huge failure, but you can’t really call her a success.
To keep this as short as possible, I’ll have links at the end of the post expanding on some of my points.
First, Quinn is incredibly frustrating to play against. Nearsight is one of the most painful effects to play against. Quinn still makes her home in the top lane, where she bullies and harasses melee champions to hell and back. Her ultimate’s map presence makes her a giant pain for the entire enemy team to deal with. If Quinn gets a decent lead, she just rolls over the entire map and the entire game. Even when behind, the map presence is incredibly annoying to deal with. None of these elements are necessary to Quinn.
Second, Quinn’s rework misidentified her and didn’t do her identity justice. Quinn was never a traditional marksman, she was a ranged AD assassin. Her rework ended up lowering her assassination power and replacing it with roaming potential. It didn’t fix her identity problems, but instead stretched her even more.
Finally, the rework failed her thematically and visually. Quinn and Valor used to be partners, now Valor is a glorified taxi. Most of those who played the old Quinn didn’t pick her up because we wanted to play a strong champion, but the idea of a champion focused around teamwork and partnership spoke to us in a way other champions didn’t. Visually, pictures. Not much else to say.
The injustice done to Quinn is less that of Mordekaiser, and more that of Karma. She’s a husk of what she used to be.
Riot can’t just revert Quinn, that’s not on the table. Here’s what I’d like: > Riot should accept that Quinn is a ranged AD assassin. Thus, when Riot does the assassin update (whenever they decide that is), Quinn is one of the champions they work on. And this time, they do justice to Quinn, and battle bird Valor returns.
I believe there is a rift where old Quinn lovers and new Quinn lovers are both satisfied, and players don’t hate playing against Quinn. Can we make that a reality, please?
who didnt feel out of place because there was no specific place for those champions as we have today (ADC & Supp bot Mage/Assasin mid and Bruiser/Tank top didnt really exist).
She was a late entry in the grand scheme of things which confuses me so much as to why her kit was never really granted a definitive role direction.
I actually played her allot pre-rework and loved her ulti, although I felt it didnt really have a definitive place except for cheese assasinations.
I hope she gets some focus and redirection
). All we really asked for was the qol changes we got on new Quinn and CDR on the old ultimate if not some form of transform mechanic (Even if it cost Skystrike) as well as an escape/sustain for Valor. Instead we got ourselves a taxi bird and half of her kit gone.
they are great champions. They were made better then what they use to be. Mord might have no real escape but he is meant to be in your face and getting a shield off you. But he can just shit on so many champions if he is able to. He can deal damage and take damage like any Juggernaut. And Skarner is the same way but he has an escape and a great engage. He really wasnt changed mcuh from his older version other then the crystals that can turn a team fight in his teams favor. They might not be the best Juggernauts but they are strong in their own rights.
