MR Thornmail

ScyPhan790·6/24/2018, 9:28:06 PM·2 votes·935 views

So item 3075 does well to protect against AD attack speed champs, but with the addition of Kaisa in the game and seeing more use out of item 3124 , I was thinking that either a change to Thornmail or the addition of a similar item to guard against AP might be a good idea.

From what I've seen with Kai'sa, they normally build Rageblade into item 3115 and then item 3089; haven't really seen much AD being built on her. You also have KogMaw building with Rageblade, but it's usually with item 3153 and item 3085; if he ever does go AP it's usually without Rageblade, but you can't really ignore the possibility that he could build around it to be more AP attack speed. Last little mentions would also be Kayle and Varus

Other possibilities that could happen but I feel are doubtful to, would be: Azir Shaco Teemo TwistedFate

I'm not saying it's necessary that Riot makes an MR version of Thormail or changes it to include MR into its stats. I just wanted to hopefully spark some thoughts about a possibility because this meta has become pretty wacky with how flexible so many champs are in their positions, as well as the obvious increased use of Rageblade.

So what do you think?

12 Comments

Lotus Bloom6/24/2018, 9:44:10 PM4 votes

Personally I don't see where they would implement an item like that. Mages don't have life steal and that's the reason why you generally want Thornmail. It's for pushing big AD comps that also have lots of life steal.

Tanks already have a counter to sustained magic damage via Adaptive Helm. If it wasn't a thing then I'd say you had a decent concept for an item.

Shahamut6/24/2018, 9:40:46 PM1 votes

honestly, I think Rageblade just needs retuned.

Its a hybrid attack speed item. that effectively increases your on hit affects by 50% once its stacked. On hit builds are bursting players down on just two items practically, since the rage blade also adds its own on hit effect that scales.

Whenever they make changes to Azir, I think they need to rethink his Ratios/interactions with items. Hes AP, but loves attack speed and cdr. However, Nashors tooth has an entire ability that doesnt really benefit him at all, since his soldiers dont apply on hit.

DuskDaUmbreon6/24/2018, 10:16:22 PM1 votes

The purpose of Thornmail is not to reflect damage. The purpose of Thornmail is to stop lifesteal.

item 3194 is already enough to handle DPS AP damage. Try getting this against Kai'sa next time.

Existential Bard6/24/2018, 10:25:57 PM1 votes

Adaptive Helm helps against AP that likes to shred you

woodvsmurph6/24/2018, 10:33:21 PM1 votes

item 3075 item 3065 ... ta da, you're item is complete or if you don't have much sustain in your kit or items... go item 3075 item 3194 instead... to deal with the ap dps of kai'sa, teemo, and kayle type champs

BEST MEAT BALLS6/25/2018, 9:56:47 AM1 votes

if that item got created then gg to all the game.. tanks are going to own the place lol even more than they're owning it currently

MrFawknSunshine6/25/2018, 9:12:27 PM1 votes

vs champs that auto attack and do dps magic damage stacking item 3194 item 3047 works well

Bears Dont Care6/24/2018, 9:38:04 PM1 votes

Not really feasible primary because magic damage is generally burst based so a magical thorn mail would not be very effective outside of against dot mages

Kurt Hyzan6/25/2018, 9:14:11 PM1 votes

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