Anyone else feel Ekko is sleeper strong and/or overtuned?

KAZMERA·4/26/2018, 10:00:32 AM·49 votes·19,896 views

There are few champions in the game that make me question Riots balancing team. But Ekko is definitely one of those champions that I ban nearly EVERY game now. Spammable (Mana cost almost non-noticeable) Q with Dorans for stupid easy wave clear, Massive shield in a wide area great for zoning, else the enemy laner will get stunned and lose a trade/kill, Build in Sheen with a dash, and an "oops i fucked up" reset ult. Maybe its with the new runes that he is a big pain the ass in lane now, but I have definitely been seeing more Ekko's lately and it makes me want to pull my hair out.

97 Comments

Dead flag blues4/26/2018, 12:16:55 PM17 votes

His "woopsy" button should have a downside, it's really annoying to deal with it.

l MrD l4/26/2018, 10:03:51 AM14 votes

Yes but mainly due to the hextech and lichbane combo ....

Snowman Arc4/26/2018, 12:55:41 PM11 votes

His Q is very hard to land on an enemy from range. It's very easy to avoid in lane, and only starts being reliable waveclear after level 7 and some AP. His W is un-reliable at best. Hard to land the stun, takes too long to activate and easy to play around. Also, to gain its effects, you must move in it, which makes it very predictable. His E is a small dash, that also makes the next AA be another dash and deal bonus damage. Nothing really overpowered here, a lot of champions have an AA reset with mobility. His R is his safety net. Seeing how his is an assassins, would only deals reliable damage if he's in melee distance, he needs something to help him escape, otherwise, he is gonna move in, deal damage and die. Every assassin pretty much has that. Zed and LB blink back to their original positions, Talon can start jumping over walls, Kassadin has a very low CD blink, Fizz is even worse than all of them etc.

Ekko is honestly one of the best designs of an assassin and currently one of the most balanced champions in the game.

Blåbæret4/26/2018, 12:01:05 PM9 votes

Ekko is fine. He requires a lot of skill to execute properly. His win rates aren't absurd either.

KoKoboto4/26/2018, 12:15:58 PM8 votes

Ekko's kinda always been like this. I mean his normal burst combo has to be high because of the way his ultimate works. And his normal burst combo is practically all point click. Once Ekko gets rolling he's one of the easiest champions to execute with. Not to mention his laning waveclear is pretty bonkers for an assassin.

Quantum Ekko4/26/2018, 5:10:52 PM7 votes

Hello, I'm actually a ekko main on the NA server with about 1.5m points on him. I play him pretty much any role, and against every champ. Every meta and such. I'm struggling to see how he can be argued as op. Do I think he can be very strong yeah, do I think he can dominate games in the right hands yes. but I feel like that every champ. For example zed players right now are everywhere just popping off left and right ends games literally by themselves. Yes this is probably do to indirect buff but also cause they know there champ. You guys list a lot of things here that are " OP " but neglect to point of his flaws. HE has no reliable cc. He isn't a tear based champ right now to take advantage of item buffs. His combo puts him in a vulnerable spot. the second he e's onto you, if you don't die there's a great chance you can just turn on him cause he wont have a escape ( pre 6) His Q that you say has so much wave clear got nerfed dude to rune changes lol so he cant 2 q a wave anymore until later in the game. Popular champs like Ryze, anivia, Taliyah, tf have way better waveclear. An yes while I do think ekko into anivia is a good match, if the anivia is a real anivia main, good luck to you! lol cause anivia hurts a lot and unless you get ahead of her pre 5 you probably wont solo kill her. Then you have other assassins like fizz and kat who are pretty skill based match's but they have the upper hand really. Fizz has more gap closers and a slow on top of a untargetable effect with his e. Kat burst is way higher then ekkos and she is wayyyy more mobile. I actually struggle the most against kats. but that's another story. You have champs like cam, fiora who can just rip apart ekko like no tomorrow. Like Ekko struggles so much with head on 1v1s, he thrives from getting the jump on people. That's how he gets fed. Which is now even harder for him in the early game cause now his roams aren't even the best when you have champs like Taliyah, tf, a sol who just run around dominating side lanes. Yes ekko can 1 shot, yes hes a great split pusher, yes he can be decent with team fights but there is literally always another champ that can do the same thing just better.

Bent Pixels4/26/2018, 11:43:12 AM7 votes

shhhhhhh........ ekko op. but Riot doesn't know that. dont speak of it i dont want him nerfed lmao

a weird but effective build i use for ekko is actually starting with dark seal (usually because i get fed bc everyone in bronze 3/4 cant deal with this chronobreak) and the my first item in ludens echo. depending on the situation i sometimes dont even get lich bane, but rather void staff. i then finish it with the hextech item, zhonyas hourglass, then top it off with deathcap. along with sorc boots of course. tp and flash are my summs obviously

this build tbh is the most broken thing on ekko i think. along with domination/electrocute primary rune i also run the precision tree for secondary (which ones i use depend on my matchup).

i would say im a very unique ekko player but honestly this is so fucking broken on him its not even funny... actually it is, but not for the other team.

however, it is still very hard to solo carry with him and no matter how fed ekko gets if enemy bot or top or even jungle gets fed then hes gonna have a hard time carrying... but yes he is broken as shit ive been expecting a nerf every patch but it hasnt come yet... yay

Onotori4/26/2018, 12:23:37 PM6 votes

Ekko's been broken for a long time now -- as far back as when they tripled his damage because of Tanko... as if that was the solution to his issues.

DW Diana4/26/2018, 10:38:36 AM6 votes

Ekko is very strong in the right hands. The fact so few people play him well means the good players can get ahead and snowball. He's not so much overturned as buggy as he'll. His W often doesn't show until the proc effect is ready meaning you can get caught out easily unless you predict where he put it.

nm10104/26/2018, 1:03:35 PM5 votes

He is the melee Anivia. Uninteractive, unfun, and pretty much viable into most match ups which creates a lot of one tricks.

GhostOfTsushima4/26/2018, 11:49:10 AM5 votes

Ekko is the only Champion that can dash into Poppy W which is amazing "Sarcasm"

option paralysis4/26/2018, 11:27:14 AM5 votes

fuck ekko dude, every time I wanna play mid in flex I get this dumbass who Q's runs back to tower and 15 times in a row, untill I tilt all in him and lose.

AR URF4/26/2018, 12:09:44 PM5 votes

It's his ult. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if he gets bursted down, as long as it's in a certain time frame he can ult all his health back? I'd rather see something like 60% regen of his max hp. My buddy won 17 out of 20 games with ekko during ranked games.

FrostQueensPlane4/26/2018, 2:53:43 PM4 votes

"utility assassin" - literally straight from riot's mouth

deadlychuck4/26/2018, 10:36:34 PM4 votes

Ekko's problem is just a massively over bloated kit.

Vekkna4/26/2018, 4:55:42 PM3 votes

This is why Ekko is so frustrating to play against: he forces you to outplay him at every stage of the game, then consistently denies you the reward for outplaying him. When you compare him to mage matchups in mid:

He has more dashes than you
His slow is stronger than yours
His movespeed is way higher than yours
His wave clear is better than yours
He can take your turret faster than you can take his
He forces you to track his clone the entire game, including his bugged clone that appears randomly out of fucking nowhere
His W gives you a 3 second time limit to kill him in a counter-engage before he automatically wins

Even if you outplay him at every stage, he still has R to completely fuck you out of benefit for doing so. You manage to dodge Qs, actually land skill shots against him, CS well under turret, ping MIA constantly during his perpetual shove-and-roam, etc. Doesn't fucking matter because "DO OVER!"

strut4/26/2018, 6:06:50 PM3 votes

Good waveclear on a high burst assassin with good roam potential and good escape options. He is never going to stop being a sleeper op champ.

MuffledGarbage4/26/2018, 2:39:00 PM3 votes

Ekko 2Q waveclear is still a thing and Riot just kinda hates mages. So Riot's gonna leave Ekko overpowered for a while until LCS gets a hold of him

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

HarrowR4/26/2018, 12:57:31 PM2 votes

I didnt see Ekko for a long time in game,started playing Ryze mid,played around 30 or so games,got cocky since i felt i couldn't lose mid after i got the hang of his combos,until yesterday,i got Ekko mid,his account name even said Ekko.

He got fed fast,like you said,spam Q,clear an entire wave,super safe with his ult,and some good ganks by his jungler and i was behind and he started roaming,10 minutes later i get one shotted through ROA + Seraphs Embrace,esentially 3k damage in QE and passive proc. He literally could literally just one shot anyone on my team with no risk,if he gets low he just ults,and chills out for 40 sec,or just wait for soemone to get low or land his W.

sKz Aaron D4/27/2018, 5:31:00 PM2 votes

He's not sleeper, he's actually just too strong. Outpushes into good roams and 1v1 potential in lane. Plus, the amazing, "I fucked up, hehe xd," button that makes it so you have to burn his health bar twice.

trunoob4134/26/2018, 10:06:50 AM1 votes

Never see any ekko really :( not sure what elo you are at though maybe thats the issue? Although I've been enjoying ekko lately personally I feel his damage early is lacking but once he gets a few items he just deletes people. Although I've mainly been playing him jungle/ bot , I did mid a few times and top 1 earlier this week. Honestly though his ult is probably the worst part about him feels bad playing him where most times im just ulting to save myself rather than get the damage or something. Honestly I don't even need the damage on his ult and i'd still play him but I do love when I do get the damage off.

Like above said though mainly because of the hextech and lichbane combo although I usually get ludens on him too.

Although I personally go oom fairly quickly if i'm using q alot but I haven't been buying doran ring due to not playing him mid. And they are changing those items anyways so he should be going oom.