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The immobility circle-jerk.

pleep·3/21/2015, 1:34:03 AM·6 votes·1,035 views

Immobile champions are by default seen as an eternal victim class, no matter how overloaded or powerful their kits are.

People don't seem to understand that immobility is not that big of a handicap when you have the kind of other worldly base/scaling these champions possess. Stop assuming that just because a champ is immobile its at a disadvantage, "mobility creep" is bullshit. Yea riot is creating MORE mobile champions but it is NOT making immobles any less strong. A perfect example of this is a comparison between kassadin and Malzahar.

Q: 300 (+ 80% AP) and a THREE SECOND SILENCE Q: 170 (+ 70% AP)

W: 40% of health (+5% per 100 AP) over 5 seconds W: 140 (+ 60% AP)

E: 320 (+ 80% AP) E: 180 (+ 70% AP)

And the ULTS: Malzahar: 550 (+ 130% AP) Kassadin: 360 (+ 6% max mana) + insane mobility

TLDR: The trade-off mobile champions make for their mobility is clear as the nose on your head. Immobile outperform them in Damage, CC, Utility and almost everything else. Stop acting like "mobility creep" is some huge issue, because its fking not.

19 Comments

Zyntin3/21/2015, 1:48:23 AM2 votes

I agree Immobile champs do do more damage according to your numbers. More so however Mobile champs most of the time acquire the run out kills more because they are mobile and also they get of jail free cards. So they can make mistakes like being out of position and still be alright. More Kills = more gold = more power. once they have that up on gold they keep insuring they get those kills easier because they burst even harder.

At least that's my argument in a nutshell.

Lord Dusteon3/21/2015, 1:49:43 AM2 votes

Really? Malzahar's Q is a VERY hard to land skillshot, his W ticks per second (meaning you can easily escape most of its damage), and a QSS literally removes half his damage (E+R). Kassadin might have weaker damage, but his also come off cooldown faster and he's MUCH safer to go with.

Immobile champions do tend to have more damage/cc/utility, but NOT always and since most of the damage/cc/utility is on a skillshot, they still miss out compared to mobile champions.

Sooko3/21/2015, 2:04:52 AM2 votes

Malzahar is DoT and Kassa is burst oriented?

Malzahar has an interruptible channel while Kassadin doesn't stand still for any second that he isn't CC'ed?

Two of Malzahar's abilities can be easily avoided if he doesn't use his ult?

Malzahar either chooses to harass you or get mana back (unless you stand close to minions)?

Kassa gains a little defense from his Q?

No item counters Kassa as hard as a QSS counters Malza?

Plus you are comparing an immobile anti-assassin mage (one of the few in existence, because all instant CC to punish mobility is being erased) to an assassin. Go for another immobile champion. Go for, say, Anivia or Veigar (considering Kassa got his place here, its only fair Veiggy also gets one)

Plus we are comparing a recently gunned down mobile champion with one who has remained the same for a while now. Mobility is utility most of the time anyway, and most (if not all) assassins are mobile, meaning they have both damage (to be called assassins) and utility. All mages have is CC, which again, is all being "upgraded" with tons of counterplay while mobility stays the same.

Abyssphere3/21/2015, 3:00:13 AM1 votes

Malz's damage is difficult to maximise and takes place over time. Kass's is instant (all burst), and very difficult to miss.

Compare him to Anivia and their QWEs both have 200% AP scaling (and Anivia's is conditional on a difficult to hit skill shot, wow). Anivia's ult will do more damage than Kass's but like Malz, is actually very easily avoided. Immobile mages are starting to look less impressive here.

You didn't even mention Kass's basic attacks scaling with AP.

SmokingPuffin3/21/2015, 3:15:13 AM1 votes

The trade-off **some **mobile champions make for their mobility is clear as the nose on your head.

Fixed this for you.

There are quite a few immobile champions without much to crow about over their mobile counterparts (e.g. Varus). Of course, we don't play them much, so it's easy to forget they exist.

I tend to think that the community does overvalue mobility, and that there are many immobile champs that are strong today, but don't forget about the class of immobile champs that doesn't have sufficiently strong alternative sources of power.

TheBestFalcon3/21/2015, 3:29:24 AM1 votes

OP people like make forest gump look like a freaking genius..... you really going to sit there and compare two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT champs and tell me from just that mobility is without a doubt a significant trade off on all champs.

so lets start with a few simple facts, look at kassadins pick/ban rate, now look at malz, they're totally equal right?

Only 1 of malz abilities lacks an easy counter being his E, Q and w are both very easy to walk out of while R can be broken by items or your team, kass on the other hand has all click to target dmg or such a wide hitbox on abilities used in melee range they might as well be.

Whether or not you believe mobility is a problem is irrelevant to mobility creeps existence, its a simple fact that as time goes on champs are getting more mobile or conssitently having some mobility in their kit

Finally heres a list of champs who dont pay for thier mobility compared to the majority of the champs in terms of dmg or cc, etc. : Leblanc Nidalee Riven Yasuo Zed LeeSin Kalista Kassadin Gnar Fizz you get the point....

all in all any who argues mobility is a weakness in itself is just wrong, its consistently seen to be one of the best traits a champion can have as more mobile champs in a certain role almost always crowd out the immobile ones until they are brought into line.

ZylotheWolfbane3/21/2015, 4:23:21 AM1 votes

How about you compare Malzahar's damage to, say, LeBlanc? See how those numbers work out. Kassadin has always had pretty low bases/scalings, so that's pretty much the worst possible comparison you could have possible made.

Only Play Darius3/21/2015, 4:58:18 AM1 votes

Just wait until they eventually rework Malzahar 's malefic visions and suppress into skillshots without giving him any mobility as compensation.

Then you will see the true problem with mobility.