Here's a truly unpopular opinion for you guys: Zyra shouldn't be reworked into a mid laner.

warpenguin555·2/22/2020, 12:49:37 AM·1 votes·2,327 views

The instant she gets a change like that, she'll go straight to top lane where like 95% of champions can do nothing about her. Zyra being successful in top lane is unacceptable and would ruin the game for top laners. The funny part about it all? She wouldn't even see play in mid lane. The Zyra mains who want this aren't wrong for asking. I know what it's like for your champion to get stuck as a support while losing all mid lane viability, I'm a Malzahar main who still remembers season 7. Swain was my backup mid and he's going through the same thing right now. I just don't think there's a world where Zyra gets reworked out of being an exclusive support and doesn't go terrorize top lane.

11 Comments

MiracleMorg942/22/2020, 1:37:14 AM5 votes

Uh dude. She was made as a mid lane champ, then pushed bot like Morgana and Karma. She's not really supposed to be in the bot lane anyway.

Top lane I don't see her going there much so that won't be a problem.

BenBaxter2/22/2020, 1:14:33 AM4 votes

she was supposed to be a mid lane champ

Hemulen Magi2/22/2020, 2:33:39 AM3 votes

Zyra is a catcher, but she sits right on the edge of being an APC mage.
Catchers - Bard -> Morgana -> Zyra -> | Gray Area | <- Lux <- Lissandra <- Senna - Damage Dealers

Catchers tend to be played support, ranged damage dealers tend to be played as farming laners. The champions like Zyra and Lux who sit next to the gray area between these groups can be easily shifted between groups based on the runes and items that a player builds. This gives those champions a flexible playstyle where the player can choose to become a catcher (support) or a damage carry (farming laner).
If Lux or Lissandra take aftershock and build item 3158 + (item 3853 or item 3860) + item 3905, then they become supportive catchers. If Morgana or Zyra take comet and build item 3020 item 3285 item 3089, then they become damage dealing APCs.

I don't think Zyra or any of these other flexible champions should get reworks to try to force them to pick between support or mid. Instead, their dual nature should be embraced and their different playstyles should be made to emphasize player choice. An example of how Riot could emphasize player choice is by buffing Aftershock (and other resolve keystones to keep them equal) and font of life, slightly nerfing these champion's earlygame damage in their kit, and then making it so that comet triggers on minions affected by hard CC thereby restoring waveclear. That would open up more opportunities for high-CC champions to take resolve and specialize more fully into being utility-focused supports, but it would keep the option of going mid lane available if the same champions choose to take sorcery instead. [If comet triggered on hard-CCed jungle monsters, it might even open up the option of picks like Zyra jungle.] The same champion kits can be fully functional in both roles, with distinct playstyles and strengths (not too much damage as supports, not too tanky as mid laners) depending on player preferences. This is the ideal solution instead of forcing flex champions into a single role.

GFREEMEN2/22/2020, 8:59:01 AM2 votes

She should be a MidLaner/Jungler and NOT a Support at all.

This was her ORIGINAL theme but then it was changed to Mid/Sup then Assassins Dominated Mid and drover her to the ONLY place she had left. Garbage Role.

ProphetOfDraven2/22/2020, 1:38:19 AM2 votes

Why would she go top. Most top laners would rush mercs phage and kill her on repeat.

CaptainAntiHeroz2/22/2020, 12:55:06 AM1 votes

yup

MrFawknSunshine2/22/2020, 12:57:24 AM1 votes

nothing is really stopping her from going top as it is.

IainG102/22/2020, 4:01:32 AM1 votes

I think what OP is implying, but hasn't explicitly said, is he fears any rework to her is gonna create Heimer 2.0..... (Which is not an invalid fear).

2gudaiya2/22/2020, 4:08:47 AM1 votes

irelia vs plants

Śhunpo2/22/2020, 5:48:29 AM1 votes

She should be a jungler.

Darkdemon6532/22/2020, 1:06:06 AM1 votes

She has no defense and no escape. Being able to go top while being viable mid isn't a given.