@Rioters Whatever happened to Shen?

Acheron16·2/16/2017, 5:56:10 PM·8 votes·1,099 views

Ever since he was reworked he slowly, but steadily stopped being played. I can't remember the last time I even saw him.

Many whom I've asked say that his kit simply didn't have any impact after the rework and that his sword instead of being an asset it more like an anchor, limiting too much of his potential.

Not to mention his abysmal winrate at 47% for someone with such a low pickrate.

Any changes or buffs planned for our ninja tank? Personally, I'd like to see his Q transformed into a skill-shot, a bit like Orianna's Q, so that he has a bit more agency where that damned sword is. Still doesn't make the sword mechanic fit with his theme or kit, but at least it makes him usable.

21 Comments

Oleandervine2/16/2017, 6:30:24 PM6 votes

I feel like Shen is just half-assed. They didn't even give him half of a VU - they just basically slapped a pretty exterior on a rotting husk and called it a day. Shen needed a new model, new VO, new animations, and the whole package, not this half-VGU he got, which just makes him feel old. I share this same feeling about Miss Fortune, Sona, Singed, Alistar, and all the others who didn't get their full due.

Acheron162/16/2017, 6:27:05 PM5 votes

I don't see how. He needs his Q to farm properly, but if he uses it, it both displaces his sword into a possible bad position and doesn't let him trade. His W is defined by the position of his sword, which makes it hard to avoid poke while farming. Only his E works as intended (since it is independent from that damn sword).

His R has 3 minutes of cooldown. It is powerful, but not THAT powerful, the max of it's power is taken out of high rank games.

All in all I think his rework isn't that good.

SettDownShutUp2/16/2017, 7:44:27 PM3 votes

Shen micromanagement is honestly bullshit. In order to actively chase opponents you need to Q them with the sword passing through. Most Likely shen players will taunt, then Q, then W. AAaaaand you're done. That's your allotment of skills. Sure you can Q some more but sustained team-fights are a thing of the past. It's all decided in a single burst-filled moment. After blowing your load you now have to micromanage movements and Q, staying ahead of your opponent (Sacrificing damage more likely than not) in order to make sure the sword keeps slowing the enemy. Or they can turn around and kick your ass, their call.

The sword isn't new-player friendly, and that what I enjoyed about shen way back-when. That and watching a little dagger slowly spin toward an enemy for the kill. It's Skarner all over again.

Also screw the energy costs. He already has ridiculous cooldowns, Does energy really need to limit this champ now or is it strictly because he's a ninja.

Support Bοt2/16/2017, 7:58:32 PM3 votes

Because this stupid people who remaked Shen cut off his soul. Champion is just UNFUN to play. Before with his ranged Q, USEFUL passive was great and fun. Now this is some garbage. Only ulti.

SpiderTeo2/16/2017, 9:39:17 PM2 votes

The old Shen kit was much easier to use than the new one, which actually increased his skill ceiling. Almost everything that old Shen can do, new Shen can do as well, but would require a bit more effort.

I do miss the old Vorpal Blade Q, since that allowed a simple method of sustain in lane, both in solo lanes and support roles. It also was a ranged attacked, which gave Shen more flexibility. It was also what allowed Shen to be a decent support; he could harass at a slight range, and offer some healing to his laning partner, two options that the rework removed.

However, the new Shen looks to be better than the old kit in terms of his role as a tank. Spirit's Refuge (W) can mitigate more damage than Feint (W) would without building for AP (and who builds for AP on the old Shen?). At best, Feint can help protect against a single autoattack or the last couple ticks of Ignite. Spirit's Refuge completely blocks all autoattacks in its area. This actually allows Shen to tank notorious auto-attackers, like Yi and Xin Zhao, and still live to deliver the third hit of his Twlight Assault. Getting Ki Barrier to proc during all of that is just gravy.

I figure that the reason not many people play him as much as before, and his low win rate, is that he indeed has a higher skill cap, and requires more than just a passing familiarity to be successful with him. Additionally, Shen is a team-oriented champion. Sure, he can be effective on his own, but his kit is fully realized when he works with the team. His two signature abilities, Shadow Dash and Stand United, demonstrate just that. If his team is not doing that well, then Shen himself might not be doing well, too.

My only real regrets with the remake are the loss of holding two swords (ala Leonardo from TMNT) and that the remade Blood Moon skin doesn't look as awesome as the pre-rework version did.

SettDownShutUp2/16/2017, 7:36:01 PM2 votes

For a tank who's supposed to be the master of light speed he don't got a lot of that going on.

FEDXSai2/16/2017, 9:42:13 PM1 votes

okay well as someone whos played a small amount of shen, he is perfectly fine. he just cant all in, but you cant dive him. your teamfight depends on which mastery you run. shen is fine right now if anything its his w cd thats wayyyyy tooo long. it needs to be reduced by his 3 q strikes or he needs to gain energy for blocking

Quepha2/16/2017, 8:36:14 PM1 votes

"stopped being played" bro he's a high tier pick in pro play like he always has been and his playrate in solo queue is no lower than before.

Big Lincoln2/16/2017, 6:09:09 PM1 votes

he's pretty good still, but he requires a lot of coordination with your team which can suck in soloQ