Sorry Moobeat: Surrender at 15 testing in OCE

RiotRiot NaKyle·2/22/2017, 7:44:07 PM·130 votes·12,119 views

It feels bad to be stuck in a dumpster fire of a game for 20 minutes, so we’re trying out a fix for that. We’re testing a unanimous 15-minute surrender option on the OCE server in all non-RGM, Summoner’s Rift queues.

There are no other changes to the surrender system, and it’s worth noting this is a surrender, not a /remake. Pending a couple patches worth of evaluation down under, we’ll roll the feature out to all regions. Let's taco 'bout it if you've got questions.

204 Comments

Moobeat2/22/2017, 7:47:38 PM226 votes

i quit

Ahristocats2/22/2017, 7:49:06 PM116 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot NaKyle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4gbdIUE3,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-22T19:44:07.416+0000)

It feels bad to be stuck in a dumpster fire of a game for 20 minutes, so we'e trying out a fix for that.

By giving us a chance to comeback? !!!

[{quoted}](name=Riot NaKyle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4gbdIUE3,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-22T19:44:07.416+0000) surrender at 15 min

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Woodakoodashooda2/22/2017, 7:52:28 PM50 votes

This just seems like putting a band aid on a snake bite. Just seal the toxicity of the damage creep snowball meta into that wound and say 'It's okay, you can just put a bullet in your brain instead of relying on us to concoct the cure to the disease we caused.'

GigglesO2/22/2017, 7:54:02 PM33 votes

Or we could fix the game.

MaeDoSan2/22/2017, 7:55:30 PM25 votes

Please make LoL less snowbally Give the children hope not a 15 min surr button Unless they are master / challenger

Canastus2/22/2017, 8:16:45 PM13 votes

This entire game is a dumpsterfire in its current state and instead of addressing the sources of this toxicity you simply try to shorten the overall game length even more. There's ZERO fun left in playing League of Legends, when will you realize that? You should work your ass off to remedy this situation asap if you still value your playerbase in the slightest.

dominusx2/22/2017, 7:46:53 PM13 votes

Make it 10minutes and it will be aight.

Hellioning2/22/2017, 7:50:40 PM13 votes

Wouldn't this just encourage people to give up earlier? If 4 people agree to a surrender at 15, they're just gonna surrender at 20. Why should the fifth person, or anyone for that matter, even try for those five minutes?

midnight oil242/22/2017, 7:45:40 PM12 votes

Please don't do this. I know it's no fun to be in a bad game, but too many teammates give up quickly. I've had people hit the surrender button right as it hit 20, and if we didn't comply they'd leave. Please don't give them more leeway.

sit kid2/22/2017, 7:45:00 PM9 votes

Seems like someone has to get a new server address

Blue Collar Bear2/22/2017, 8:20:10 PM9 votes

@Riot NAKyle

I'd be interested in having a discussion about this. I've always enjoyed talking about design problems with you guys.

I understand what this fix is supposed to do. It's supposed to get you out of games where the game's been lost from the get-go. Level 1 double kill bottom lane, first turret, first dragon, and three turrets all before ten minutes? Yeah, get me out, man. However, I don't think this is the solution to the problem we're having in-game. This is a good addition to the game, at least in theory, since it will help those games that are just lost. This is going to exacerbate a lot of issues, such as people forcing others to surrender, players giving up, etc.^ I'm also understanding that this is in response to demand. A lot of players wanted this feature! They want it, because they're frustrated and disgruntled. I don't think they feel this way, because there's a game that's a house burning down. I think this boils down to the quality of time we invest in a match. I'd say it's safe to say that most players aren't happy with game quality right now. So, onto the actual question:

  • Do you think that the fifteen minute surrender time will fix either problem?
  • Why did you choose OCE for your QA testing?
  • Is this a band-aid fix to get players out of games with negative behavior in it?

^

Not saying that this is your fault nor in anyway can you guys fix this, because behavior is on the players. Punishments will only go so far to deter negative behavior.

EDIT:

yooo, totally forgot to ask

What would make you think that this is working as intended? What would stop you from implementing this (obstacles)?

RexSaur2/22/2017, 8:51:27 PM8 votes

Why 15 minutes?

Why even have a minimum time for a unanimous vote?

If all 5 ppl dont want to keep playing the game they should be able to end it, regardless if its 5 10 15 mins in.

Colgate Gator2/23/2017, 3:39:33 AM8 votes

I'm aware that it's an unpopular opinion and I'll probably be downvoted to hell, but I don't see this being a good change at all.

People are SO defeatist already, such as people going "gg" should the enemy get first blood or something goes awry, you're just encouraging them to give up even quicker.

WoonStruck2/22/2017, 9:07:22 PM8 votes

Why is Riot looking into ending games more quickly instead of addressing the pacing and general lack of enjoyment many players have now that lead to a desire to surrender much, much earlier than previous enjoyable seasons?

This is like putting a band-aid on a burning building.

Eunson2/22/2017, 7:48:45 PM7 votes

Why bother with this change, the nexus literally falls at 18-20 minutes now with these horrendous Lethality changes. Let people play out the last 3 minutes of their games.

QGee2/23/2017, 1:37:20 AM6 votes

MAKE THE GAME LAST FUCKING LONGER NOT THE SURRENDER TIME TO BE EARLIER Dr Sona x Rubick made a post about this, perhaps read that before making fucking surrender earlier, make the game more entertaining and last longer, not first tower fall within 8 minutes, while I remember this time 1 year ago first tower fell around 15 minutes.

TheHappyReaperz2/22/2017, 7:49:57 PM5 votes

If you have an AFK, will you still need five votes? A stupid question I know, but it is stated to be unanimous, so I wanted to know if it'll take into affect people who have left.

Proxy3452/22/2017, 7:52:24 PM2 votes

Pointless because most games only last 30 minutes tops lol