Is 39% win rate acceptable?
Rito you answer.I think unacceptable.Azir's and Ryze's diamond elo win rates are 39%.
Buff both.You gutted them.
Trash tier champions.Useless, garbage champions, free loss champions.
What are you waiting for? Buff them.
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They are waiting for you to stop posting about it, then they'll get right on it.
Riot has actually been addressing this question lately as one of a philosophical nature - is it healthy or allowable to have champs that are near unplayable in solo queue, but extensively used in professional play, and vice versa?
Take Azir as the prime example. His solo queue win rate has been consistently low since his release, owing largely to his ridiculously high skill cap which ensures only Azir mains will excel with him, yet is picked extremely often in professional play. If Riot buffs him to make him win more in solo queue, he will become a pick-or-ban champ in professional play. If Riot nerfs him to reduce professional reliance on him, his already low winrate in solo queue drops even further.
They haven't come up with a clear answer to question yet, but they seem to be implicitly saying that it's okay by not trying to fix the issue.
My take on these low-solo-win champs that see a lot of pro play is that they simply have a very high skill cap. If you play against an Azir main, your opinion of Azir as a champion is "wow, that is so broken." However, when you pick up Azir and try to replicate what you saw, you think to yourself "this guy is so useless, how did I lose to him?" If you put in the 150+ games needed for mastery, you become the guy who makes Azir seem OP.
I don't see a problem with this situation, personally. I've been playing this game 5+ years, and there are always champs who do poorly overall but dominate in the hands of a skilled and practiced player. There are also champs who are easy to pick up and get your 50% win rate with, but who fall off as you climb higher in rank unless you spend the time to master them. Even at the point of mastering an easy champ, you're unlikely to beat an equally mastered hard champ, because difficulty is a balancing factor for better or worse.
Omg it was so quit without this troll.Can you ban him again pls
Win rates don't mean anything when a champion is overpowered.
Ryze is too new to make this judgment. Reworked champions commonly have winrate increases of more than 10% once people give up on outdated playstyles. We should only consider buffs if he stays this way for another patch.
As for Azir, he is legitimately weak outside of competitive, but I personally agree with Gypsy that this is a result of his "no vulnerabilities" design. He needs more than straight buffs or he'll just fall back into the same problems. There is no way he can be good in solo queue without being literally the strongest thing in competitive, so he needs changes. Hopefully, that will be done soon.
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Rito you answer.I think unacceptable.Azir's and Ryze's diamond elo win rates are 39%.
Buff both.You gutted them.
Trash tier champions.Useless, garbage champions, free loss champions.
What are you waiting for? Buff them.
diamond winrates are traditionally extremely volatile and not considered to be a good representation of strength based on this alone
Just wait til they're used again by pros. Don't worry, that'll magically turn them op.
By this I mean that they are quite potent in the right hands. Ryze especially is still fairly new, and has unique mechanics with great team potential (ult).
was 37% win rate veigar acceptable?
wait 4 patches of continuous hard buffs, then they might see a grateful 47%.
but in all seriousness, those win rates fluctuate so much not because of the champion, but because of how few games are played, if someone picks urgot once and he loses (0-1, 0% win rate) does it mean urgot is garbo and needs monumental buffs? no, it just means theres a crap sample size.
Basicly if Im not playing him and someone on my team picks him I will quickly look them up and see if they have any experience with Ryze in the last week. IF no, little or bad win rate I dodge
Ryze I agree with.
Azir I don't. In fact Azir needs to lose more power before he could even be considered balanced at this point. I don't care about his solo que winrate, the champ becomes a god once nashors and rylais is finished and any Azir worth their salt can solo carry games.
Azir is still viable
Ryze is often banned because how op he is