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Another new champion, another 'Please disable new champions in Ranked queue for 1-2 patches' thread.

JDB8eoX8x0·12/13/2016, 5:44:15 PM·66 votes·2,290 views

TL;DR Look up, the whole description of this thread is in the Title.

Enabling a champion that has just come out (and only been played by a handful of beta people) in ranked is a bad idea and it has been a bad idea since ages now. Why? Well, even though it should be pretty obvious, I'll list up some fair points; Enabling a new champion in Ranked the moment they're released is bad, because:

  1. Players will not know how to deal with said Champion
  2. Players will instantly lock that Champion without any experience and potentially ruin the game of their teammates
  3. Players will be forced to ban said Champion and waste one of their bans
  4. The Champion has only been tested by a few selected people that may or may not have missed some bugs
  5. The Champion will probably be underpowered/overpowered because they have just been released

If 5 points aren't enough for you, you may browse through the forums and look for past posts like mine; I'm not the only one who is visibly upset about Riot's decision to prematurely enable every new Champion in Ranked, because it harms the community.

"Well, here's to hope that Riot doesn't ignore our requests and feedback like they usually do." really shouldn't be the first thought that comes into a player's mind when they visit the forums, that's the opposite of good. I'm aware that we're a large playerbase, but that doesn't stop Riot from looking over the popular topics of each Region and at least 'try' to implement some of the ideas, especially if they're meant to help improve the game.

33 Comments

dakota saturn12/13/2016, 6:01:16 PM18 votes

It's a money thing - if they disable the champs in ranked, people won't rush to get mommy's credit card and buy the ungodly OP champ immediately before people know how to counter said champ.

If the champ is disabled for 2 patches, it's likely they'll be hotfixed or nerfed in that time, thus reducing profit margin on said champion.

tl;dr: these threads are a waste of your time. They won't stop doing it because it hurts their profit to listen to you.

nice table12/14/2016, 1:06:05 AM4 votes

a lot of people only play ranked - guess what happens when that champion is no longer disabled for ranked? yeah people will play it and against it for the first time.

Hawkefire12/14/2016, 2:37:23 AM2 votes

I disagree with having her disabled for an entire patch, just having her disabled for the first 2 weeks should be enough imho.

The Yetii Rider12/13/2016, 10:10:29 PM2 votes

Another new champ, another thread.

Ranked integrity < Keeping LoL free for those who don't want to pay for it.

You should be able to play the champion you just bought with RP for the skin bundle in every mode you like.

The most obvious counterargument to the point that is brought up every time a new champ is released (and one that every OP fails to address) is: you are not forced to play ranked.

If you don't want to play against a new champion, or with a new champion, then just take a break from ranked. Play some ARAM, or some TT. Have some fun in Normals or wander into the swamp of Blind Pick. Hit up the rotating game mode and take down Xerath in Ascension. Or just play Hearthstone or go outside. Seriously, don't punish the people who want to play Camille just because you don't want to play against her.

Usernamehere123512/13/2016, 10:23:33 PM1 votes

I have a few complaints about the idea of disabling new champions from ranked play, and I would like to counter-argue a few of your points.

In terms of your first point, sure, players won't know how to deal with the champion. But many players only play ranked to begin with, and so disabling the champion in ranked simply delays the problem rather than solving it.

I'm not sure that people actually instalock new champs without ANY prior experience (at least from my perspective as a high platinum tiered player).

As well, generally in high elo, new champions aren't really banned that often unless they are actually straight broken (I don't know about silver/bronze).

New champions are HEAVILY tested by a community damn near as large as the Boards community itself. New champions create hype and the PBE is always busting its nut come new champ time.

The only point I really agree with entirely is that new champions can tend to be underpowered or overpowered. However, Riot's releases more recently lack that problem of straight overpowered or underpowered releases. At least, not initially (sure Azir had a very strong release, but his skill curve made it so that he had a very low winrate early on).

The argument I have FOR having new champions released in ranked on day 1 is that ranked is likely Riot's best and potentially only measured statistic. I don't know how Riot actually measures the statistics for champions, but ranked statistics are probably the most reliably consistent of all queues, and so delaying these champions from ranked can potentially allow very strong or very weak champions to simply fly over the radar.

Linna Excel12/14/2016, 3:03:06 AM1 votes

Upvoted so people who don't have a PBE account have time to learn how to play and play against a new champ.

At the very least, it'd give the live balance team time to fix a champ if it is broken OP or UP.

Revelstoke12/14/2016, 3:41:36 AM1 votes

Exactly, while there's some merit to "people only play ranked"

We KNOW riot releases unbalance champions, and it takes a patch or two for them to sort out OP/UP and bug issues.

Why not have them sort that out while not effecting ranked play..

Wimbledofy12/14/2016, 4:36:30 AM1 votes

Especially now since all the champions are being made to be overly unique and complicated. Before when there were fewer champions, something like any of the adc's being released wasn't much of a new thing and could probably be played okay on a first try, or if they were to release another champion as easy as garen. But with all these newer champions being so complex or different from what people are used to it is definitely hard to first time them.

Xela Syab12/14/2016, 12:17:39 PM1 votes

Problem is, there really isn't any other way for them to see champ balance until they get enough player feedback and data from ranked. Riot tries to give a whole champ spotlight on their abilities, however seeing Camille's she's as mobile as Talon and sustains as hard as Irelia. Really the only counter for her seems to be Vayne Poppy because she has so much mobility and cc from the darn walls.

Revelstoke12/14/2016, 12:22:16 PM1 votes

You will get play and data on her power levels from Normals as well.

Saianna12/14/2016, 1:08:58 PM1 votes
  1. New champion relased
  2. With 1 skin obviouslee
  3. You can buy it for RP
  4. Disabling new champion for a week or 2 from ranked = lower income from selling said skins
  5. Less income = fuck playerbase needs and pleas, lets do it raw!
DarkRitual12/14/2016, 4:16:58 PM1 votes

They could choose not to play ranked with new champ. You also can choose not to play ranked in case you get someone on your team trying them.

Door goes both ways.

I don't expect new champs to ever be unusable in ranked, as it doesn't actually sole all the issues. For example, people who only play ranked would still be playing them first time in ranked. Not everyone looks up builds either (although most do).

Zedex12/14/2016, 5:07:59 PM1 votes

You should require mastery on champions to even select them in ranked. Smite's got it right.

But then that would interfere with Riot's planning and careful buffing/nerfing of champions to keep certain ones OP/making money.

Think about it, you log on the new patch day to play a ranked game, only to find out X got nerfed(Who you enjoy playing) only to have Y be buffed (or brand new, either scenario fits) to be a much better candidate or just flat out OP. Most players like winning ranked games and thus would be more tempted to buy the OP Y if they don't already. Jump over to the ego portion of this, and they're probably going to buy a skin because Riot just made them better, and well if you're winning with that guy you're obviously better than the enemies.

Fast forward to my idea of requiring mastery for certain champions. If my idea was implemented, it could kill a "portion" of sales that are A) impulse buying or B)wanting the new op champ now(or new reworked, buffed, ect)

By keeping Ranked have no mastery requirement for champion selections, Riot probably makes a large amount of revenue based on these points alone.

That being said, I still prefer my idea over theirs, but a savvy business is always looking to improve, expand, and make profits, and it seems thats exactly what Riot gets out of this.

PlanetWarwick12/13/2016, 8:24:42 PM1 votes

I'm a Camille god

MegaV78G8712/13/2016, 8:38:08 PM1 votes

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TL;DR Look up, the whole description of this thread is in the Title.

Enabling a champion that has just come out (and only been played by a handful of beta people) in ranked is a bad idea and it has been a bad idea since ages now. Why? Well, even though it should be pretty obvious, I&#039;ll list up some fair points; Enabling a new champion in Ranked the moment they&#039;re released is bad, because:

  1. Players will not know how to deal with said Champion
  2. Players will instantly lock that Champion without any experience and potentially ruin the game of their teammates
  3. Players will be forced to ban said Champion and waste one of their bans
  4. The Champion has only been tested by a few selected people that may or may not have missed some bugs
  5. The Champion will probably be underpowered/overpowered because they have just been released

If 5 points aren&#039;t enough for you, you may browse through the forums and look for past posts like mine; I&#039;m not the only one who is visibly upset about Riot&#039;s decision to prematurely enable every new Champion in Ranked, because it harms the community.

&quot;Well, here&#039;s to hope that Riot doesn&#039;t ignore our requests and feedback like they usually do.&quot; really shouldn&#039;t be the first thought that comes into a player&#039;s mind when they visit the forums, that&#039;s the opposite of good. I&#039;m aware that we&#039;re a large playerbase, but that doesn&#039;t stop Riot from looking over the popular topics of each Region and at least &#039;try&#039; to implement some of the ideas, especially if they're meant to help improve the game.

TL;DR Just ban the new champ, paying more for new champs week 1 would be pointless if they are disabled in most modes for 1-2 patches. When normal draft is removed you would only be able to play new champs in blind and bots. That just means it will take much longer for match ups to be learned.

CrazyBigfoot2812/13/2016, 9:17:13 PM1 votes

Not bad idea im just worried about that 10 ban system everyone been talking getting passed and you will never get to play new released champs