Does the new Fiora Suck?

TheMeta88·8/8/2015, 10:11:16 PM·10 votes·4,251 views

Why hello there. I am TheMeta88 and I just felt like having a discussion about the new Fiora.

But who the fuck am I right? No one in particular really. I ain't challenger here to throw down the sick strats for you guys. I ain't even diamond. I'm just a plat 4 scrub who wanted to have a heart to heart to multi million dollar company with you guys.

So what follows is just a bunch of random thoughts that have been twirling around in my head.

First of all, let's talk about what Fiora was. She was an all damage assassin that either stomped your dick, or vagina, into the dirt or she got deleted instantly. Understandably Riot wanted to change this. You were either a God of destruction or got deleted at the start of every teamfight.

Now she is...WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE!

She's a fighter that isn't tanky, who's supposed contribute in teamfights but really doesn't, and she is an assassin that doesn't do enough damage to delete people.

So what the fuck is this champion even? I feel like this has been a problem lately with Riot where champions can do a whole lot but just none of it very well. That or they turn out to be these overloaded fusterclucks that make me want to have my dick scraped off by a sand paper conveyor belt.

So let's break it down.

Her main lane is top. Her main role is fighter.

So as a top she must go against other fighters who are usually tanky, do a ton of damage, have some sort of area of effect or CC or both that make them absolute cunts in teamfights.

Again, Fiora isn't tanky, doesn't have AoE CC, or do that much damage in my experience.

And that's if you get out of lane with your asshole intact. Most likely you will pound your dick into the wall as most other top laners out damage you, out sustain you, and out farm you. FUN.

"But she isn't supposed to be tanky! Or have a lot of CC! She's an assassin brah!"

THEN WHERE THE FUCK IS HER DAMAGE HIDING? Is it under the skirt of some challenger 1 God? Do I have to be Faker to even do my job of killing someone?

It feels infuriatingly hard to 1, get on people and 2, stay on people.

Maybe I just suck or something but it just seems like it is difficult for her to, you know, assassinate muthafuckas.

So what could be done about this. I have a few ideas but first let's ask a question.

Is she a fighter or an assassin?

You really can't be both. At least not in her current state.

Most other fighter assassins come down hard on either side. Champs like Ekko, Zed, and Yasuo all pop your delicate virgin cherry before you even have time lube first.

Fiora just...doesn't. And maybe she shouldn't. I see where Riot is going. I love and am fascinated by the idea of a dancer style champion dodging in and out of combat doing tons of damage. BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE THAT PLAY STYLE!

You Q to get in a fight.

That's it. That's all you do. You get maybe one or two vitals and then you're probably fucking dead. She can't escape. Even if she does she then can't get back in. She's completely out in the open.

So here are some ideas.

She needs to carve out a niche in the current meta.

According to Champion.gg the most picked tops are Riven, Irelia, Gnar, Gangplank, and Shen. Other than Shen she ain't going to do shit to those other tops. Riven out damages her. Irelia out sustains her and out damages her. "True damage every vital? HAHA true damage every HIT!" Gnar out every things her. Gangplank out pirates her. But she could probably dookie on a Shen though.

So what should her niche be? 90% Assassin 10% fighter. I really like the idea of her darting in and out dealing tons of damage with every carefully placed strike.

So what if she had multiple charges on her Lunge? Say..two? Go in, get out. Or hit more than two fucking vitals! And what if this new system had no CD and just a recharge? And what if getting a kill or assist INSTANTLY recharged it?

I think that would go a long way in allowing her to dart in and out.

Buff her ult for fucks sake!

In a game like this, every champions ult should have "oh fuck" inducing power. Enemy sphincters should be inseparable upon use. Old Fiora used to have that power. Muthafuckas still don't know what new Fiora ult does. So I say bring back a little bit of the old.

My biggest gripe with her new ult though is how boring it is to activate. First off you have to get so close to even use it and then once there you waste a Q just to get in range TO DO ANYTHING!

So how about we try something different!

What if after a brief channel, say enough time to get in a sick burn, one liner, or challenge, Fiora reveals all vitals then charges toward her target with a visual very similar to her old ulty almost. In travel she ignores crowd control effects, doesn't do damage to passed through units, or do any form of CC to them. And to best differentiate who the target is, instead of just vitals, a big mark appears over their head as if to say "You gone git dis DICK!"

Upon arrival she hits the target and dashes THROUGH them procing the vital that was facing her on impact and placing her BEHIND the target.

The target is briefly stunned. .5 seconds maybe.

This does damage up front and then allows her to hit the back vital with ease and/or get the ones on the side.

That way she does her job as an assassin AND forces the enemy team to account for her or watch their carries' delicate anus get annihilated.

THEN Fiora has a choice. Burn down her target completely with her two dashes OR save it to avoid the wrath of the enemy team.

BOOM! Mastery and counterplay.

To be this powerful though the team heal stuff will probably have to go. Which should have never been on her kit in the first place. Hell that should be on Aatrox's.

Improve her passive

Easily the most intriguing part of Fiora's new kit. However it is severely lacking. Again Riot can't decide if she should be fighter or a an assassin.

The problem I've run into is that her passive doesn't do enough damage to be worth it and her sustain doesn't counter act what the opponent usually does back to you. Yes, that's what her W is for but that has such a long cooldown that it almost isn't worth it.

Anyway, to go along with a previous point that she should dart in and out of combat but her strikes should deal a ton of damage, I propose this.

Either increase the base damage of the vital hit or...allow it to crit.

That way when you're in lane against these monstrous top laners your hits actually chunk them instead of being a minor annoyance.

Another change would be to make these trades more worth it.

Her current flat heal is horrible. It either needs to be much stronger, especially for later in the game, or go back to being a heal over time which actually would make more sense to begin with. That allows her to actually heal past the opponents initial retaliation and get a bit more health back.

To make this work probably not all of the above changes would go through. One or two would or parts of each maybe. Realistically none of it will go through. Lmfao.

I didn't touch on the rest of her kit because I love it. W is awesome and her E is really cool too. If nothing is done for her mobility though then her slow needs to be much stronger.

I don't know. I have this vision in my head of this kick ass woman who can go toe to toe with anybody.

The ultimate duelist who darts in and out of combat virtually untouchable. And when it's time to get down she can get down. She picks someone to die and then mercilessly executes them. Or she toys with her prey being hard to reach and darting in and out of a fight.

Fiora can be a very strong and amazingly fun character to play. I hope to we see that day come.

Thank you for reading.

Sorry that was so fucking long.

What did you think?

What did I miss?

Am I full of shit and just need to get Korean?

Please leave your thoughts in the comments.

Although most likely no one will read this. No one will respond.

TL/DR:

BUFF FIORA MAKE HER AN ASSASSIN! NONE OF THIS FIGHTER SHIT! FUCK FIZZ!

55 Comments

Catastrop8/8/2015, 10:45:04 PM6 votes

She is good. People are just stupid. She came out like a few days ago, but from what I've seen in game, she's doing wonderful.

You Found TM068/8/2015, 10:25:42 PM6 votes

they ruined her, she is now garbage. i hate riot forever until they return her to her proper balanced state

macromite8/9/2015, 3:34:41 AM4 votes

hmm, I'm going to have to deduct a few points from that, the correct answer was, No, Fiora is actually viable now, her ult can't get her killed just from casting it, and she can actually duel in lane effectively.

Leo4ever8/8/2015, 10:55:09 PM4 votes

Ive played old fiora it was......WAS....my main and I played the new fiora since pbe....now the real problem is the ult....if they wanted to rework the ult fine ok, but dont make it useless.......pop the ult and oh wait......i can see a way out if it....summoner 4 and you are safe from fiora ult, just wait for it and there you go....or you can just walk away from it.....am learning how to "play her" but she is useless in most situations......the got the nerf hammer on her and destroy her...

AdanChristo8/9/2015, 2:44:02 AM3 votes

i play fiora a lot, the PROBLEM is her ULT, DONT BUFF FIORA, RE-WORK HER ULT SO THAT IT'S USABLE, the key word in this mess is 'USABLE'

Skias8/10/2015, 2:06:18 AM2 votes

OP is right though. She has an identity crisis and it has watered down her kits effectiveness. They need to Yasuo her kit. Pump up the damage and lower the cd on riposte. Make her depend on that to live. She needs to be a melee adc, not some irelia watery turd.

Terchio8/8/2015, 11:10:20 PM2 votes

Thing is, she isn't Fiora anymore. Stop playing her that way. She used to be assassin more than fighter, as her ultimate was more useful when you could kill more enemies before she fizzled. It gave her a whole new life, on top of it, akin to Tryndamere and Master Yi, or even Kayle's lease-on-life from ulti. Now she lost her invuln duration, lost her natural AD buff, and in its place got utility that needs to build up. Instead of naturally being tanky, she instead is now a champion that requires tankiness to set up her utility instead. If anything, she's more more of an actual fighter now than she ever was, setting up her utility like a number of these "triple hit" champs like Ekko, Gnar, Skarner, and Tahm. If you're building pure damage, that's why the success isn't there; She doesn't inherently benefit from those much more than anyone else at this point without invulnerability during it.

Long story short: Fiora mains will not do well with new Fiora. It just won't happen. And as a side note, I don't feel I'm going to miss her old play patterns, either. She was a wildcard like Poppy, only she had the stats to make it far more consistent, which is definitely not fun to play against.

TheDangerousTaco8/8/2015, 11:35:45 PM2 votes

I haven't read the whole post, but there is one post that I really resonate with.

**"Do I have to be Faker to even do my job of killing someone?" **This is so true.

I am not going to lie, I see some really good fiora players after this rework, and they play her so well ( the power is there ) and this may sound obnoxious but. I don't want to have to be diamond+ tier player just to play a champion.....

There are champions like zed, lee, that have very high skill caps, that even bronzies can play well. So why not the same for fiora. Why is her kit revolved around making her insanely hard to proc passive, the only damage she can do???

Edit

To all the people keep defending that fiora is good, are usually the ones that haven't played her yet. I highly recommend people go and play ( 20 ) games Minimum with her in your elo, and see how flexible she really is. Her potiental to kill is there... but is so underwhelming its almost impossible to pull off. Usually the only time you get a kill is agasint someone who hasn't played her yet.. when people start to get used to her kit, I gaureentee her SURPISE kill potential will not be there, and she really will fall off heavier than now.

Dad Reflexes8/9/2015, 12:19:07 AM2 votes

she has true damage built into her kit, and she used to be played top, but with her riposte stun combo I could see her being able to take on midlane assins i.e. Diana yasuo or faker yi, so maybe think outside the box, because fiora is still a roaming champ who shouldn't stay in one

IonChamber8/9/2015, 8:25:34 AM2 votes

Here's my experience. She obliterates tanky tops because armor means nothing to her. She's also more mobile than most of them. She can negate their CC and vastly outtrade any tanky top and there's nothing they can do about it. So play her vs tanky tops and win lane build her as a fighter not an assassin and carry. That ult heal is stupid.

And if you use it on their tank that engages, they will melt and you will heal your ad and the fight is won. Gg didn't have to be faker

Shen will lose. Singed loses. I imagine mao will lose. Easily beats tahm and any tank she doesn't best right away, she will dominate as soon as she buys a lidesteal item. She should probably beat cho and Gallo and easily vlad. Should punish gnar heavily. She killed my singed with 300 armor/Mr and 3500 go in Like 4 hits and I had ms quints and ult on and couldn't escape her.

She beat me easily in lane by taking advantage of quick trade Windows and blocking any CC I had. I couldn't retaliate