Why I Love Unorthodox Picks: The Off-Meta Manifesto

SuckasGots 2Know·1/29/2020, 4:57:29 PM·34 votes·15,103 views

The Off-Meta Manifesto

I’m sure you’ve heard this or said something along the lines yourself: “WTF Janna mid?! Are you serious?” Yet what many players don’t realize is that Janna was once considered a meta pick for mid lane when you wanted to stalemate the lane and just use her Q to easily clear waves over and over. Even Soraka mid was selected in the LCS by C9 Hai in 2014 prior to her rework. Or my personal experience of using a Trundle support in season 5 several times got flamed IN NORMALS for the majority of my games yet having solid success, then a few weeks later the undefeated Fnatic team pulls it out to great effect in some of their matches. I even remember before Gangplank’s rework having multiple 30 or 40 assist games because of his E providing a solid AD and MS boost to yourself and your teammates, yet you’d always find doubters.

Why Off-Meta Players are Doubted

One of the worst stigmas in the game is that off-meta players were usually just guys in ranked who were bored or frustrated or didn’t get what they wanted in terms of their role. Much of the time its true, even World Champion support Mata was fined pretty solidly for not taking a competitive pro game seriously with his Jayce support pick in a best of 3 series. Now if the Jayce served a purpose to his team’s comp it would make sense but it was obvious it was done with the intent of just ‘throwing in the towel’ and messing around after his team lost the previous game pretty hard.

But then there was AdellaideSkyhart, a frozen smite Singed support who used a very elaborate strategy in how he would win his games. This strategy involved leaving his ADC at several points early game, with intent of setting the enemy jungle behind and his ad carry to deal with the opposition of two opponents. No win rate is 100% but this often times incensed his teammates to the point of multiple reports and eventually led him to facing a permaban from Riot Games which sparked a lot of controversy: On one hand his strategy was unorthodox and netted him a solid amount of success, on the other it pressured his team to conforming to a strategy that much of the time played around how he would impact the game and not themselves. If he won the game then great, much deserved LP but if he lost he faced the scornful retaliation of frustrated teammates who played with an unusual player they didn’t know how to work with.

So the question is, when is it ok to try an unorthodox pick/strategy and when should you just go with something that is tried and true? Its honestly a murky subject. When you have diamond level adc LeBlanc’s and Ahri’s outperforming Gold level Katarina mains it can be tricky to determine what is viable and what is garbage so to speak.

Why We Off-Meta

The biggest reason of a serious off-meta player as to why we are willing to try to make these unorthodox picks work is that often times players will be facing it for the first time or haven’t faced it in years and that was probably in a forgettable norms game. Before it gained massive popularity the Yi/Taric combo absolutely crushed the Chinese servers boasting a staggering 85% win rate, even at this time it is still a prevalent strategy and has earned Taric mid a 61.32% win rate at the time of this writing with a 1.54% pick rate. That may not seem like a lot but he is getting selected ahead of mid-laners such as annie, lux, and mordekaiser. And if you don’t know the strategy behind it, just look it up, its pretty well known. Discoveries like that is what I live for with this game. Finding something unorthodox that catches your opponent off-guard, nets you a large chunk of victories, and defies the expectations of what is the best way to win a game. Albeit this occurs with a duo strategy, even finding something that is effective as a soloist is pretty cool nonetheless (and yes I won't try this in ranked until there is significant reason to believe it will work).

Off-Meta Etiquette

If you ever have an unorthodox pick, you’re likely to face more scrutiny than the average pick. I try to at least have north of 15-20 games with at least 60ish% win rate in norms before I’d consider bringing it to a ranked game. Even then it pays to have critical thinking in how that support would impact the game, very much like any other support.

If you have a strategy that is off-meta that is probably a much more delicate road to navigate. Even when AdellaideSkyhart clearly stated what his intentions were and had pretty good stats to back it up (around 70% WR I think) anytime he was on the 30% receiving end of defeat he was likely to get reported. For this it’d probably be a good thing to make sure something like this is known ahead of time. If the vast majority of your teammates are not for it then it is probably best not to implement it unless you’re willing to take a huge risk.

In the end we all enjoy this game for different reasons, I do play meta picks somewhat often (mostly climbed with Karma and Yuumi last year), but I also like to throw in my Heimer support or even Ziggs/Pantheon if the matchup or opposing team comp works for me. I am serious about the ranked grind but the occasional dark horse makes the ride a little less rough.

43 Comments

fire2631/29/2020, 8:38:12 PM13 votes

Personally, I agree with a lot of what you said. It's especially ironic when an off meta pick or such gets flamed by many, and then becomes meta later on, mostly due to pro players picking it. That's what I personally don't like about most of the league community, if Korean pro's play something everyone immediately copies them and pick it in games with no clue what they're doing. I would much rather have a Garen mid onetrick on my team over someone who picks singed mid with no clue what he's doing only because Faker played it.

Funny enough, I feel like off-meta players have to try much harder and perform better solely because if they fuck up people flame them immediately. They are also some of the nicest players I've ever met because they try to not anger their team because the blame almost always goes right to them if the game starts going bad. I've played with AdellaideSkyhart on my smurf before, and he was one of the nicest players I've met. He would always let his team know what he was planning to do next, and helped me crush mid lane with his roams. He wasn't trolling in the slightest, and I think he's mastered his strategy making it work as long as his team cooperated.

People really should be more accepting of off meta picks, and not flame a pick just because a pro hasn't played it.

Bijeesny1/29/2020, 6:18:20 PM8 votes
  1. Just because some things worked several years ago that doesnt mean they work now.

  2. Every pick in pro play is done for a reason.

Saezio1/29/2020, 5:54:44 PM6 votes

So, I read the first 5 lines.

Did you even watch the game back then? It has nothing to do with how the game is played now. Back then you could turtle, now it's impossible. Assassins were also more or less non-existent in the meta.

  • Alex picking it 2-3 times in competitive hardly means "it was meta"

If you want to play off meta that's perfectly fine and acceptable. It also doesn't matter till you are like diamond 3-2. Up till then people make so many mistakes that simply by being a better player you win, you don't need to use meta. But these tactics sure as hell would be demolished in challenger or even diamond 1 games.

Smyrage1/29/2020, 9:53:03 PM5 votes

Many of us doubt your off-meta picks, because usually it's something, which used to be meta, but Riot made it sure that it wouldn't work anymore, so it isn't really off-meta, just obsolete. It gives the impression that you are not totally aware of the current meta. I saw people coming back after skipping seasons still thinking that e.g Camille jungle is still a meta pick or totally unaware that certain picks in certain roles were nerfed out.

Yes, Janna WAS once considered a mid laner many years ago. She isn't a good midlane pick anymore, because she can't farm with her Q. And considering how bursty is mid lane right now, she won't stand a chance against any competent midlaner. In fact, considering how small her damage is and how squishy she is, she will just be sniped.

Also there is a problem of reasoning. Some picks can work outside of their intented role, if played well, but e.g taking Yuumi anywhere else, but support is legit trolling, because she has no use outside of support. Many times it just seems most players don't even understand how meta picks even work, why they are good right now and so on, I wouldn't trust most people with really off-meta picks sorry.

HorseProofBacon1/29/2020, 11:58:38 PM4 votes

I love unorthodox picks...so long as they are on the enemy team.

Nea1041/29/2020, 7:08:43 PM4 votes

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Even Soraka mid was selected in the LCS by C9 Hai in 2014 prior to her rework.

Yeah, maybe 6 Seasons ago you could have fun playing some peculiar pick, but not in this high unbalanced meta, where they make and keep some champs far better and stronger than others, for skin$, LC$ and stuff.

King Manatee1/30/2020, 8:55:22 AM4 votes

I agree with this post, but sadly I feel like off-meta isn't what it once used to be. Aside from the meta favoring specific builds, picks and playstyles, I feel like Riot is pigeonholing many new releases and reworks into a specific lane/playstyle. Do you remember these? -AP Yi (well, this one was not particularly "healthy", but still noteworthy) -AP Sion -AP Tristana -AD Malzahar -AP Pantheon -AP GP (or even "Bankplank" or GP support) -Middlesticks -AP Kog'Maw (Talking about the rework in which his W would double his attack speed. Although it was reverted, I think it's still a good example)

And probably some others I forgot to mention. My point is, all of the above were killed off by Riot; mostly through reworks. I can understand if they want to make new champions excel in 1 role in specific, maximum 2; but what bugs me is that REWORKS usually kill off a fun but viable off-meta build for most champs.

At the same time, players are becoming less and less accepting towards different picks... so yeah, I don't think off-meta will ever die because there will always be something new to discover, but it surely changed towards worse in the last several years; and with how it's going right now, it doesn't seem like it will get better.

Trist mid opop1/29/2020, 10:11:29 PM4 votes

I have onetrick trist mid since late season 5. Up until last year i got called a troll atleast once every second game. Now i get called a meta abuser for copying faker.

ProphetOfDraven1/29/2020, 9:04:49 PM4 votes

Enchanter solo laners are even worse this season than last season due to solo lane exp buffs.

GinoSoldier1/29/2020, 10:41:18 PM3 votes

Ashe support player here!

Once in a while i just go; is this doable? Is it fun? Do i feel like i contributed like i woukd if i played a standard pick? If yes then yay! If not, then on to the next wack idea!

I found out that Ashe is amazing in a meta that is reliant on helping out jungle because putting points in E rather than Q early lets your team spy on key jungle points safely is really helpful. Combined with different rune setups and item combos, she becomes a capable Enchanter or Warden, or even a secondary AD damage source. Effectively the most flexible yet consistently useful support i ever played.

I found out that whenever some dank dude decided to play Yasuo botlane, the best support pick for him is Kalista. He can dive just about anything in essentially complete safety once you have her ultimate on hand, and her ghosts contribute to making their lane safer from junglers as well. Works decently as an anti-diver pick as well.

I also found out that Kindred support is terrible. Even using Teleport to go get marks usually isn't worth leaving your laner behind, you'll inevitably save more enemies than allies with your ult and it requires way too much teamwork to function.

Lastly, I found out that Orianna jungle could be a thing in the right hands, and with the right team. Or at least it could have been 5 seasons ago?

T2K Baka1/29/2020, 6:08:20 PM3 votes

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xelaker1/29/2020, 11:45:47 PM3 votes

Meta implies better in some way, so you'd better be good enough to level off the difference and we all know that well over half the playerbase isn't...

ShunTheWitch1/29/2020, 11:27:33 PM2 votes

The only time I play the meta is when the meta just so happened to change into something I like, I picked swain support regularly and it demolished, then a couple months after I chilled out on it the Koreans found it and it became S tier. I have a soft spot for weird builds or builds that I can play with friends and see them lose their shit at it working, I play with guys who are so deep in the meta that its painful for them if I play something they do in an offmeta way, that is until it ends with the opposing side getting washed.

My current obsession is Kha'zix support which sadly doesnt work too well against picks like naut and leo, but enchanters and mages it can do very well against.

I may be a vel main, but I fucking Love some bruisers and their playstyles from my time in toplane before I went full on support main, Rek'sai top was probably my favorite in top.

small tangent, I fucking hate how the grading system works because you have to hard carry essentially just for an S- so getting the tokens is hell. But rewarding.

my last season tomfuckery is hidden however because I changed region, so the few people who feel like both using me as their scape goat for why the match is hell feel more justified because they dont see a decent rank from last season when they opgg.

It gets easy to deal with toxic players when you deal with it so much.

GFREEMEN1/29/2020, 9:24:10 PM2 votes

I love to play Crit Reksai mid lane vs Yasuo, Zed, Akali, Fizz, Talon, Dianna

She wrecks them until late mid game. (Late mid game Reksai needs buffs bad)

Hugsssssss1/30/2020, 12:31:06 AM2 votes

If someone is doing janna mid they're funneling for a yi.

Blaxonec1/30/2020, 7:04:59 AM2 votes

Before several seasons ( still actually) I was playing Lux support. You can not imagine how aggressive players were towards me explaining that she is not a support. All I was thinking was , she has CC, can provide vision, can do some damage, can shield the entire team, can kill escaping enemies - that pretty sound like a support to me. At that time I was in gold and people were amazed the things I can do with her, like carry from bot lane with SUPPORT ... before supports got items. My off meta pick kinda carried me to diamond. Thats the good part. The worst is that you need to be super mental when your team is losing because its ALL on you even if top is going 0/1/11 and you still didnt met but its ALL ON YOU.

Off meta picks were the reason why I liked LOL so much, today it seems to me that RIOT intentionally prevent off meta. Its just harder to find something that works.

EDIT : Ooo and yea... the feel I got later when Lux became N1 support so she was nerfed.... her shield was too OP for teamfights ... amazing :)

Best Azir Africa1/29/2020, 6:39:03 PM2 votes

I am personally an Off-Meta player. Not Unorthodox, but off-meta. Unorthadox is seen as troll because it is. Sure Janna mid, trundle support. why not right? The problem is that when it doesn't work, its your fault. Just because the pros pull it off, doesn't mean you can.

taleofsonata1/30/2020, 1:16:30 PM2 votes

Lol riot hates Unorthodox Picks, next patch they are nerfing rumble mid, Alistar top is gone, Soraka top and mid nerfed, Taric top is dead etc.

Sire Hippington1/30/2020, 9:28:28 PM1 votes

I think off meta picks are fine if they fit into the ususuall soloQ strategie and thus don't require your teammates to play specifically around you and switch up their game just because of that. If you do something like the singed strat that requires other players to make sacrifices, you kinda force them to play your game and that's not ok. If you're premate with your adc, sure, no problem, but in soloQ, i don't think it is not fair to expect your teammates to change **their **playstyle around to accomodate **your **strategy. If you ask them in lobby and they agree to it, ok, but for more eleaborate strategies, the lobby gives a bit to little time to really make up your mind about it imo.

Akso, oviously there should be merit for the viabillity of the Off meta pick, it should be picked and played with the intent to win, atleast in ranked. In normals, it's imo enough if it's atleast not a clear troll pick/built and has some clear value ontop of the funfactor that probably is the reason for the pick.

Terozu1/30/2020, 1:35:47 PM1 votes

I remember getting so irritated when MF support went from "AHHTROLLING!!!!", to "Pro Meta slave!" for a long time after it was played at worlds.

Jack Eron1/30/2020, 12:18:47 PM1 votes

Meanwhile 99% of "new meta" players just looking for excuses to justify trolling. Nothing more.