Give Fiddlesticks an option to cancel his ultimate

ApplyForAGrant·7/2/2015, 5:43:54 PM·74 votes·3,138 views

Fiddle has always been strong in Solo Que but weak in competitive play because people ward and work together to track him down. Since he took a pretty big hit from Magus removal I think its good time to address some of his core issues.

If Fiddle is seen by a ward, he is screwed. If he channels his ult while on top of a ward, well fuck. Not only is he dead when he jumps in, his is also punished by a ridiculous CD downtime. Also, with the amount of CC that is seen in competitive play, the channel can be pretty easily canceled by a long range knockup.

Would it be a good idea if Crowstorm receives the same treatment as Pantheon's R:

If the channel is cancelled, Grand Skyfall is put on a 10-second cooldown.

Maybe 10 seconds is too little since Crowstorm gives nothing away to the enemy team. 20 or 30 seconds sound more fair.

34 Comments

Nameless Voice7/2/2015, 6:35:37 PM17 votes

Are you talking about him being able to cancel his ult to put it on a reduced cooldown, or are you talking about having his ult go on a reduced cooldown if someone else interrupts it?

If the latter, I really hate that idea. Playing against a team with Fiddlestick on it is all about finding out where he's going to ult from, warding it, and countering that game-changing ult. When you manage to break his channel, you should get rewarded for it by his ult not being available for a long time, not with a 10-second tap on the wrist.

Even the former (him being allowed to cancel it himself) lowers the importance of him channelling at the right time by predicting where the enemy team will have moved to by the time he finishes casting.

AutoreactiveCD47/2/2015, 7:09:05 PM11 votes

I support this change because it would be a lot less embarrassing when I do something dumb.

Haunt7/3/2015, 4:18:09 AM9 votes

No, this can't be a change, and I'll tell you why:

Yeah, you can cancel Pantheon's ult. But you know why? When you initially ult, the enemy team does NOT see the circle until he jumps up. The ONLY time you can cancel his ult, is when he first starts the channel, not when he jumps. Once he is on the air, he's ulting no matter what happens. Why? Because if you could cancel your ult after the enemy team sees the circle, their flash might get baited, and that isn't fair at all baiting someone's abilities when you don't even use your ult. That would make it so Pantheon can just spam his ult and not use it to make everyone blow flash.

Now for fiddles. Fiddles cast time is lower, and when you hear the sound and see him ulting, you RUN the fuck away as fast as you can, or you try and CC him. It would not be fair channeling your ult and then waiting for people to flash and then canceling it. There is no way this change can go through and be balanced. Those 2 ults are completely different and should be treated different. No idea how people could ever upvote this thinking it would be healthy for the game.

manbearswine7/2/2015, 10:40:45 PM9 votes

Honestly,I'm against both,first of all,unless fiddle ults in your face,his ult is VERY hard to interrupt,either he does something very wrong or you do something very right(or consuming,like flash tibbers),because between the time it takes you to react for it and for most stuns to travel plus the fact that last second stun won't interrupt it means his ult is VERY hard to interrupt(again,unless he ults you in the face,in which case he deserves to be punished).

As for him cancelling it,it's his job to make sure he is unseen,he has raptor smite pink wards and oracles lens for that,I'm against rewarding him for stupidity,if they want to compensate him for the removal on magus they can do so in another way which rewards him for playing well,not forgiving him for being a moron.

Spreek7/2/2015, 9:56:45 PM7 votes

Crowstorm is meant to be a high risk high reward ability. A lot of that risk is taken away if you can just channel your ult constantly and cancel it whenever it doesn't look perfect.

You also eliminate a lot of the clutch answers to fiddle ult (like someone flash stunning you) when the fiddle player can just cancel before the other team gets to.

Anyway, Fiddle really doesn't need a buff right now. Boo hoo he's no longer 55% winrate

Calabok7/2/2015, 7:14:45 PM4 votes

Why stop there? Let's also change it so he can go invulnerable without Zhongshan and increase his ultimate radius by 9000?

Silents4297/3/2015, 2:07:52 AM4 votes

Eh, kind of think part of his counterplay involves wards, if he can just cancel his ult whenever it's kind of bullshit to deal with.

WeFlyNoLie7/3/2015, 1:05:34 PM3 votes

Fiddlesticks' ultimate is very strong when you consider what it can do.

It gives him a free flash, which means he can go over terrain to use it. Its AoE and does a lot of damage. Fiddlesticks can use other abilities and summoner spells (flash) while it is active. Fiddlesticks can also use zhonya's when the ultimate is active. (This is huge)

Fiddlesticks' ultimate is best used with the element of surprise, so if you don't check for wards before you position yourself, that's your own fault.

Given all of his ultimate's strengths, I don't think this change is necessary.

Patheon's ultimate does transport him far distances, but its clearly telegraphed and much harder to land than Fiddlesticks' ultimate, which is why it warrants the cancellation modification.

Slamurai Jack7/3/2015, 12:15:22 AM3 votes

No. Baiting out a fiddles ult without getting your entire team killed is already risky and difficult enough as is. If he's dumb enough to try and ult from somewhere without sweeping first, he should fail.

Curling Veigar7/2/2015, 10:20:35 PM2 votes

Be careful what you say, riot might 'compensate' him for magnus removal.

Renthaeus7/2/2015, 5:56:03 PM2 votes

Patch a weird thing where fiddle sticks comes outof no where and uses his abilities all at once on you. God that was horrendous.

KONO RUBICK DA7/2/2015, 5:57:52 PM2 votes

10 sec is actually ok

GruulWarrior7/2/2015, 7:42:16 PM1 votes

I agree with this idea. Since the indirect nerf from the change in magus, fiddlestick jungle became even less popular. Putting a cancel ability in his ultimate will probably draw some jungle mains' attention and we may start seeing more fiddlestick jungle Fiddlesticks

SociopathFriend7/2/2015, 8:20:37 PM1 votes

I do wish this was a thing, make it a small window but by all means- I'd really like to be able to stop an ult when I'm stuck there thinking "crapcrapcrap nonono I'm gonna die"

bizzle897/3/2015, 9:09:28 AM1 votes

Buy a sweeping lense and a pink ward and gank then, tell your support to deward etc.... Like every other champ? Winrate is about 50% now (not that 54% anymore) and there is no need to compensate, because he is not weak. He is average now. They way it should be.

Dr Poro7/3/2015, 9:12:41 AM1 votes

Even if there is no reduced cooldown, I'd really love this. So often have I clicked R and said "uh oh" half a second later. I spam click away, spam press R but I know it won't help.

TotalJerk7/2/2015, 10:44:31 PM1 votes

His issue is that he cant do anything besides be a shitty peel while his ult is down. He's in the same position that Veigar, Sion, and Ryze were in. He has point and click hard CC and a strong ult that's too iconic to gimp, so they gate it by giving his entire kit shitty range.

All of his ranges are shit, his passive is almost nonexistent thanks to the nerfs, and you'd best pray to the RNGesus if you want a crow to be more than a brief annoyance.

And don't even get me started on the bad matchups he has. Countless assassins/bruiser have gapcloser that outrange his Q and can get some damage off before the slow ass crow reaches them, and if the recently buffed Olaf ults toward you from any visible range, and you basically automatically die.

Saianna7/3/2015, 11:50:13 AM1 votes

While we are at Fiddle:

I think his ultimate require new visuals. damage ticks & range don't match his crowstorm circle.