He can bully every melee in the game at early levels.
-Q can deal 100 damage at level 1 with right setup -500 HP at level 1 for a ranged champion -55 Base AD at level 1 (same as Garen and Xin for some reason)
I understand he's strong late and that's fine, but why are his early game stats so damn high when he's ranged and also has an instant disengage on top of it
Because he's outclassed by other Ranged Champions, hence why he's usually not Mid and moved to Top.
He can bully every melee in the game at early levels.
I recall playing Shyvana versus Ryze and bullying him out of the lane without my jungler.
But maybe that's because I built MR, let him push the minions so I could farm safely, and then got aggressive post-6. You know, playing smart.
-Q can deal 100 damage at level 1 with right setup -500 HP at level 1 for a ranged champion -55 Base AD at level 1 (same as Garen and Xin for some reason)
I understand he's strong late and that's fine, but why are his early game stats so damn high when he's ranged and also has an instant disengage on top of it
His "instant disengage" is a 0.75-1.75 second snare and a movement steroid on his ultimate. If he's maxing Rune Cage early, his harass and farm get weaker, and he has no way to deal with getting ganked. If he maxes other spells first, it can't hold back a pissed-off minion.
If you have issues with Ryze top, try switching lanes with your mid laner or bot lane. Then again, if you knew how to survive unfavourable matchups you wouldn't be on these forums complaining about Ryze.
Alternatively, you can pick one of the many champions who can lane well against Ryze. These champions include, but are not limited to, Irelia, Maokai, Jarvan, Gnar, Jayce, Nidalee, Lulu, Mordekaiser, Cho'gath, and Gragas.
Another option is to identify where he warded, inform your jungler, and set up a gank. If you complain about how you can't rely on your teammates to ganks, then you have a bigger issue than playing the matchup.
-500 HP at level 1 for a ranged champion -55 Base AD at level 1 (same as Garen and Xin for some reason)
Base stats are nearly identical between champions. You have to look to the extreemes to really find much of a difference early.
For mental math, it's safe to assume a champion has:
~500 + 85 = 2000 HP ~7 + 0.66 = 18 HP/5 ~275 + 44 = 1000 MP ~7 + 0.55 = 16.6 MP/5 ~55 + 3.5 = 110 AD ~0.66 + 2.5% = 0.95 AS ~17 + 3.5 = 75 armor 30 + 0 = 30 MR (ranged) 30 + 1.25 = 52.5 MR (melee)
In most situations, the tank/attack/magic differences you see at levels 1 and 2 are specifically because of runes and masteries, with the occasional ability steroid thrown in the mix. Otherwise Miss Fortune has more HP than Shen due to how similar base stats tend to be.
Almost always durable champions get improved HP/5 from their kit for the early game experience before they can afford durability or are truely durable. Because of the endurance race that is early-game, HP/5 can often make them feel tanky by itself.
Also, in regards to Xin'Zhao's base AD - Xin basically has 3 auto-attack steroids. He has %armor penetration, %AS, and bonus AD for 3 hits.
This is also flat out good design to have base stats be nearly identical.
If you give, say, Xin'Zhao an ability that increases the damage of each auto-attack by 15/30/45/60/75 but then throw his base AD off of averages; those numbers are no longer universally understood.
With ~55 + 3.5 = 110 AD scaling on most champions - 10 AD means 10 AD. Getting 10 AD from a steroid ability means you got 10 AD from a steroid ability.
If you started the champion with 10 less AD, then you're saying the ability essentially does nothing. If you start the champion with 10 more AD - the ability offers a much weaker boost in overall power. The same is true for stats acquired with items, runes, and masteries.
Also - in terms of offense and defensive base stats, it's important to consider how stats scale in LoL.
Take 3 champions: an average (A) champion with 1000 HP and 100 AD. A defensive (D) champion with 2000 HP and 50 AD. An offensive (O) champion with 500 HP and 200 AD.
All 3 are perfectly balanced blow-for-blow against one another. It will take 20 attacks for (A) to beat (D), and 20 attacks for (D) to beat (A). It will take 5 attacks for (A) to beat (O), and 5 attacks for (O) to beat (A). It will take 10 attacks for O and D to kill one-another.
Give them a choice of 1 item that offers 10 AD or 100 HP and things get weird though.
Grabbing the 1000 HP tank item on the defensive champion will only increase their HP by 50%, from 2000 to 3000. Against the average champion, they'll get taken down to 33% HP, 2000 damage with 1000 HP remaining, before killing their foe. However, grab the 100 AD item on the defensive champion - and you just tripled their AD from 50 to 150. Against the average champion, they'll now kill them in 7 attacks instead of 20, taking only 700 damage instead of 2000, keeping 2300 HP rather than 1000.
The inverse is true for offense - with 200 AD another 100 isn't that useful, but with 500 HP getting 1000 will triple you're overall power.
Because of how base scale, it's considerably better to put the durability/offense/magic pulls for a champion in the ratios of their abilities, rather than their base stats themselves.
On Ryze - if you want to nerf his early-game, hitting his ability ratios or base values would be a better path to make him weaker early game than hitting his bases.
He can bully every melee in the game at early levels.
-Q can deal 100 damage at level 1 with right setup -500 HP at level 1 for a ranged champion -55 Base AD at level 1 (same as Garen and Xin for some reason)
I understand he's strong late and that's fine, but why are his early game stats so damn high when he's ranged and also has an instant disengage on top of it
He can bully every melee in the game at early levels.
-Q can deal 100 damage at level 1 with right setup -500 HP at level 1 for a ranged champion -55 Base AD at level 1 (same as Garen and Xin for some reason)
I understand he's strong late and that's fine, but why are his early game stats so damn high when he's ranged and also has an instant disengage on top of it
not every melee champion
Darius Olaf Irelia Jax
I run darius or olaf, Problem with Darius is he really falls late game, so if you dont kill or get a lead on ryze you are done.
Olaf killing potential in lane is weaker, but you can bully him out with great success and transition into late game pretty well if you had fail lane
You could always pick a champ with a gap closer (Pantheon) be defensive to avoid extra damage until you get level 3, slap him with an ignite and go all in. If nothing else you should do enough damage to scare him off and get a level or two before he can make it back to lane. Just make sure you have enough damage behind your kit to actually do work before you waste that ignite.
