Gragas mains now feel how viktor mains felt for the longest time.

infinyx·3/11/2018, 2:11:42 AM·9 votes·1,758 views

Title, since Gragas has been at a below 46% winrate for over 7 months now. I sincerely hope riot is considering SOMETHING to help him. Hell, even in competitive lcs play he still loses games and does barely anything. Will there be any word on whether riot is considering adjusting him anytime soon?

30 Comments

Villainous V3/11/2018, 7:37:41 AM6 votes

Well the thing about Gragas is that when he's strong or at least good, he's amazing because of just how good his kit is for jungling. You have an engage, damage reduction, damage on Q with AP item 3706, his flash body slam for engage, his ult for disruptions, sustain, and all around has everything a tank could want. And like viktor, and azir their teamfight damage and utility combined with just how strong their kits are in the right hands make balancing them a nightmare.

SwiftKitten883/11/2018, 2:20:32 AM4 votes

i normally work very hard to keep my posts bias free against certain champs.

but on Gragas .. no...

not only does he look absolutely revolting. the "flash bodyslam" mechanic is beyond stupid.

he also does STUPID amount of damage building AP and can completly one shot you with a cc chain with a ulti and barrel.

on top of that.. hit kit makes absolutely ZERO since lore wise.

all gragas is is a big man has is a true ice block inside his barrel that continuously melts.

obviously being big and strong comes with its advantages, but the whole "exploding barrel" makes zero sense.

gragas should be an melee AD bruiser.

and yes i AM being very baised in this post, and if any other champ had garags' winrate i would likely support a buff.

but i HATE this champ.. his, kit.. the fact that he looks disgusting, acts disgusting, is a fucking drunkard, makes no sense lore wise. and is stupid annoying when in meta. i don't want to see this champion come back...

100mg3/11/2018, 2:17:08 AM3 votes

I've tried getting riot to talk bout this, all they have said to me is that they have no plans for him.

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Personal opinion, think that Gragas is p underrated but could use some more love. We don't currently have plans for him, as far as I'm aware.

T4underbolt3/11/2018, 1:52:33 PM2 votes

I sincerely hope they are not. Not that long ago gragas was the most cancerous tank jungler with no counterplay. Once he got fixed with his stupid e hitbox he is not played. Why? Because his mains didn't really main the champion. Just rely on broken mechanic. No more gragas. We have to deal with sejuani and j4 full tanks doing same sht that gragas did. No more broken tanks.

Bisaknosp3/11/2018, 3:20:44 PM2 votes

before we buff any jungler i would like to see the likes of Zac Sejuani Khazix Warwick nerfed

Smitemuffin3/11/2018, 2:33:14 AM2 votes

Viktor mains still feel like that. We have to pay 3000 gold go access parts of our kit that any other champ would get for free. His rework never addressed a single one of his core issues. He only saw play in the LCS because he's an afk waveclear bot. Watch LCS games from the last few seasons: Viktor was "designed" to be a mid-range high damage mage. Pros almost never get in Q range of anything because they know it's suicide.

taleofsonata3/12/2018, 2:49:28 PM1 votes

Gragas should have been an AP bruiser but Riot gutted him into a no brain tank.

Leetri3/11/2018, 12:08:44 PM1 votes

Looks like they should've gone with all the Viktor buffs they had planned from the start, they barely did anything for his winrate at all.

PopcornBunni3/11/2018, 1:13:42 PM1 votes

Gragas is meant to be an engage tank (Vanguard), so the areas for improvement should play up that aspect of him. Improve his defenses, engage opportunities, and raw survivability, not his damage or sustain.

Something like

AD: 61.4-120.9 -> 64-118 _More AD early means faster clears and earlier gank chances. Lowered later to make it about the same mid. _

Health: 583.5-2096.5 -> 595-2125 Armor: 35-96.2 -> 38-98 Improving raw tankiness without affecting sustain

Happy Hour (P) Cooldown: 8s -> 9s lowering sustain in favor of more engage power

Barrel Roll (Q) Base Damage: 80/120/160/200/240 -> 80/110/140/170/200 AP Scaling: 60% -> 70% Slow amount: 40/45/50/55/60% -> 50/55/60/65/70% Improving the ability's cc while lowering its damage for nondedicated builds

Drunken Rage (W) Damage reduction: 10/12/14/1618% -> 12/14/16/18/20% Buff duration: 2.5s -> 2s Base Damage: 20/50/80/110/140 -> 20/40/60/80/100 AP Scaling: 30% -> 40% Stronger damage reduction with stricter timing; damage swapped for scaling

Body Slam (E) Base Damage: 80/130/180/230/280 -> 80/120/160/200/240 Cooldown: 16/15/14/13/12s -> 14/13/12/11/10s Damage converted into more cc

sit kid3/12/2018, 2:40:38 PM1 votes

Bitch please Azir