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Qiyana Should Have To Actually Land Her Abilities To Do Damage.

CloakAndGrenade·9/15/2019, 11:53:35 PM·18 votes·7,815 views

Not the wall behind me. Not the area beside me. No, an auto-attack doesn't count. She's an assassin. She's supposed to be high skill cap. If she whiffs her Q, her E, and her ult, and only manages to land an auto after hitting her W, she shouldn't be blowing me up. But she does. Tank, mage, assassin, support, doesn't matter. She can miss her ult entirely (or not even aim it at you) and hit a wall to chunk you for half your HP. No other assassin (besides maybe Katarina, headbutt R collect LP) is able to just miss everything and still get a kill. Fix it, please.

47 Comments

ModAcademy Kayn9/16/2019, 12:20:11 AM12 votes

I mean, if she's extremely fed, that's gonna happen. But that doesn't sound at all like something that'd happen unless your team let her go like 20/0 by 20 minutes.

Saezio9/16/2019, 1:52:37 AM10 votes

If the ult hits you via the wall, her ult didn't miss. and what do you mean hit her W?

Also, her E is targeted, you can't whiff it. It can be dodged by movement abilities, but you can't actively whiff it.

How many times have you actually played the champion? Seems like you have a completely shallow understanding of how her kit works.

iDarkWind9/16/2019, 11:57:18 AM6 votes

That's not even the worst. Assassins should not have any kind of hard CC, but she has a Stun on her W in Water form and in her ultimate. I've seen many Qiyana's one shotting squishys in a fast rotation between her water form W and her ultimate wich offered no counterplay because the target was CC'ed during the whole combo.

Charmy Bird9/16/2019, 6:30:42 AM5 votes

I don't understand why qiyana has a stun in her ult. Her ult most of the time covers a large area and it's nto that hard to hit in major team fights so she basically has an aoe stun that deals a lto of dmg. Can we like remove the stun though, imo assassins shouldn't have cc because their point is to burst u and escape having cc reduces all the changes for the target to have a chances to escape

2kewl4life9/16/2019, 1:13:48 AM5 votes

high skill cap doesnt mean high skill requirement xd

DoranShieldOp9/16/2019, 3:22:22 AM5 votes

preach qiyana is a bs champion

you think her ulti is predictable then its spread on walls hits you with the speed of light, its hitbox is kinda tricky too; and i think she can wallhop just like riven (not important but she surprised me with this shit to deal more damage)

Zed genius9/16/2019, 12:26:29 AM4 votes

She's supposed to be high skill cap.

Who said she is high skill cap?

preternatural9/16/2019, 2:57:24 AM3 votes

I think you just fucked up and should own it.

iiGazeii9/16/2019, 1:15:23 AM3 votes

I mean, she hit the wall, and you were standing next to it when you know Qiyana makes walls dangerous.

2Charmnot2Charm9/16/2019, 2:44:17 AM3 votes

If she whiffs her Q,

Impossible to happen when it auto targets when you cast it during E.

It's honestly stupid that this is even a thing.

Gamma Sector9/16/2019, 1:22:21 AM3 votes

Wait you actually think Katarina is freelo? Old kata maybe, new kata, no.

Ragnaveil9/16/2019, 5:10:27 AM3 votes

They just need to make her weaker in lane for having such a strong teamfight ability. It makes sense.

Zero Shingetsu9/16/2019, 3:42:48 AM3 votes

Not the wall behind me.

Very easy to avoid this.

Not the area beside me.

Don't fight her up close in the river.

No, an auto-attack doesn't count. She's an assassin.

Yes it does. There are a lot of assassins who can devastate with autos. Yasuo, Master Yi, Talon (less now than in the past), Garen, Sejuani, Vi, Fizz... I'm not sure why you think assassins don't have any use for autos, ever.

She's supposed to be high skill cap.

She is. That doesn't have to mean she's not low skill floor. The concepts of skill ceiling and skill floor aren't joined at the hip. Like Master Yi, she's pretty easy to do okay with, but to truly shine with her, you need practice and a little talent.

If she whiffs her Q, her E, and her ult, and only manages to land an auto after hitting her W, she shouldn't be blowing me up. But she does. Tank, mage, assassin, support, doesn't matter.

This one, you can blame on the meta. She's not the only champion that does that right now, by any stretch.

She can miss her ult entirely (or not even aim it at you) and hit a wall to chunk you for half your HP.

Avoid walls around Qiyana. It's very possible.

No other assassin (besides maybe Katarina, headbutt R collect LP) is able to just miss everything and still get a kill.

Yi doesn't even have to land anything. He doesn't have a single skillshot. Ahri can miss every single R and still get kills if her AP is high enough. Kha'zix doesn't need to land E or even W to get kills, he just needs to land his targeted Q's and autos. There are other assassins that behave this way.

In general... Qiyana is a risky melee assassin with minimal range. If you burn your mobility getting in, you may find it hard to get out if things don't go the way you planned. Conversely, it's hard to get in position for your combo without using E or W to close the distance. Qiyana requires decisions, and if you make the wrong choices in the moment, she has no defense. Her health and resistances tend to be extremely low. Without mobility or her water Q, what is she to do when she makes a mistake and jumps into two high-damage enemies? Sometimes even one will do.

Qiyana's fine. Not perfect, but fine.

Mortismo9/16/2019, 7:31:56 PM2 votes

i dont mind that so much, but she shouldnt have as much invisibility as she does now, and her r shouldnt push people sideways into walls

Sucction9/16/2019, 4:21:19 AM2 votes

Qiyana Does have to 'hit' most of her kit to get a kill.

The issue is that her kit isn't missable. Her E is targeted, the following Q is autotargeted, and so is the auto, duskblade proc, electrocute and passive that come with it. That's usually enough for a kill. If not, her next Q is rather difficult (though not technically impossible) to miss as well.

General Esdeath 9/16/2019, 7:14:22 AM2 votes

"She missed her ult and hit the wall and chunked me!"

yes...that's the point of her R...if she MISSED the R, it would just push you.

FrancisMuni9/16/2019, 10:01:21 AM2 votes

She's an assassin. She's supposed to be high skill cap.

Assasins? High skill cap? Hahahahahaha, the only ones that requires brain is LeeSin, Nidalee and Elise .

SiG DxD9/16/2019, 4:08:23 PM2 votes

the width from lane to wall is too big ,too huge range and the fact she can throw you near wall to guaranteed stun is absurdly stuped

lane insurance9/16/2019, 7:20:12 PM1 votes

I mean she has to tho

Mortismo9/16/2019, 6:23:59 AM1 votes

hoes mad

The thigh guy9/16/2019, 12:55:27 PM1 votes

I mean. I think all champions should have to actually Land their kits to kill you. But riot disagrees.

The Highest Noon9/16/2019, 6:12:57 AM1 votes

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Not the wall behind me.

But that's how her ult works.

Not the area beside me.

But that's how hit-boxes and hurt-boxes work, in literally every video game forever.

No, an auto-attack doesn't count.

But she has empowered auto attacks, so that definitely counts.

She's an assassin. She's supposed to be high skill cap.

Most Assassins have low skill ceilings, tho. Having to use your abilities does not equal skill or even challenging gameplay.

If she whiffs her Q, her E, and her ult, and only manages to land an auto after hitting her W, she shouldn't be blowing me up.

How does she wiff an E if it's point-and-click? Also, if she hits her E then she WILL hit her Q because they have a combo interaction.

But she does. Tank, mage, assassin, support, doesn't matter. She can miss her ult entirely (or not even aim it at you) and hit a wall to chunk you for half your HP.

It's in her kit. Stay away from walls, then. That's called "counter-play".

No other assassin (besides maybe Katarina, headbutt R collect LP) is able to just miss everything and still get a kill.

And Zed, and Leblanc, and Rengar, and Evelynn can pretty easily reach a point where she can completely butcher her Q and W, just hit E R and you're dead. I'm fine with people disliking champs but it seems to me that you're doing less criticizing and more complaining about a strong champion.

DODGEORLOSE9/16/2019, 7:26:31 AM1 votes

She can 100% land her q when cast during her e, so, that's 2 abilities, plus if she uses ice, you're stunned so she can ult with 100% accuracy, so she lands all her abilities thanks to point and click ^_^

14daysuspensionk9/16/2019, 7:57:37 AM1 votes

What about Nidalee then? She's pretty weak early if you don't land a spear to make kills since the passive gives you damage against them in cougar form.