@Meddler (or other contributing Red) - What happened to diversity?

RiftsLikeGaston·11/20/2015, 3:52:55 AM·8 votes·1,648 views

Currently it appears that the entire meta revolves around 4 champions with some form of attack steroid in their kit or adcs and a support. I may be particularly skewed in my view as a jungle main, but every single jungler that LACKS as steroids or base as are having ridiculously painful/long clears and early backs. This is translating into a gold and experience deficit that snowballs itself as the game progresses.

Successful junglers at the moment include: Aatrox Elise Fiddlesticks Kindred LeeSin Olaf RekSai Tryndamere Udyr Vi Warwick

Previously useful junglers that are struggling MIGHTILY at the moment, and are therefore (in my opinion) unusable:

Amumu Evelynn Ekko DrMundo Gragas JarvanIV Khazix Malphite Maokai Rammus Nidalee Nautilus Sejuani Volibear Zac

I've mostly been comparing jungle clear times and early gold. I'm not including effectiveness of kit, scaling, etc. I know there has to be some mitigating factors, but with the increased pace of games (unintentional or not) there is less room for slower clearing junglers to be able to maintain gold/exp and have an impact on the game.

Any feedback or thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

44 Comments

Passionlip11/20/2015, 7:33:08 AM3 votes

Actually, Rammus and Sejuani (more the first than the second actually) can do the full clear if they avoid counterjungle, and after that are fine. If you don't seem to be able to use it enough simply don't buy the refillable potion and go for 3 pots, IF you really want to be sure forgoing the mastery about the duration of jungle buffs can allow you to take 3 biscuits, and then it becomes pretty much a breeze xD item 2032 It's good if you can handle the first clear - you can even do frog -> blue -> wolves, then back and buy it - and pretty much kills every problem you can have in the jungle, hell, if you have the full charges and take some damage after a gank you can just go in jungle, pop 3-4 charges and heal back when you farm.

Teklm11/20/2015, 4:49:50 AM2 votes

I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying, and I realise you're mostly talking about early clears, but Mundo Jungle is doing extraordinarily well at the moment so you might want to remove him from the list. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle

jaymc113011/23/2015, 3:33:24 PM2 votes

As a diamond level player and recently converted JG main, I will confirm diversity is gone from the role, as well as the game on the whole. However your post is slightly wrong about what junglers are still being extremely successful in high level play.

God tier at the moment consists of two junglers, the same two we always see there: Elise LeeSin

Top tier junglers are mostly the same you would expect to have seen on the last patch and include: Gragas Evelynn RekSai JarvanIV Hecarim (the last one was helped out immensely by the changes and has moved up a tier.)

Pretty much everything else is completely unviable. But the fringe candidates are: Diana Ekko XinZhao Jax

This patch is so dramatically snowbally (in fact the snowballiest in league history, even worse than most of season 3, an extremely snowball SEASON), that junglers who cannot participate in the action effectively inside of 5 or 10 minutes and create a snowball situation are pretty much useless. Playing a farm intensive jungler on this patch (IE devourer) is pretty much a sure fire way to lose the game because the games simply don't last much past the 25th minute and most are ffs at 20. Of that archetype only jax and xin are seeing any real success in competitive high level play as they have early game gank tools and some new abuse-able items ( item 3124 ) should the game actually last long enough. The over all effect is I am seeing basically just Lee and Elise every damn game which was old, stale, and stagnant back in season 3 and a direction that was moved away from quite specifically over the last 2 years to allow more junglers into the scene.

We have effectively undone the growth of the game from the last 3 years with this patch.

Sad. Silly. Stunning.

It makes almost no sense.

Yenn11/20/2015, 4:51:35 AM2 votes

champion.gg is wrong or mixing in statistics from previous patch games.

WookieJesuz11/20/2015, 6:33:20 AM1 votes

Diversity is higher than its ever been. If you want more clarificstion respond but im too lazy atm to explain

Big Lincoln11/21/2015, 12:41:30 AM1 votes

Have had absolutely zero issues with Naut, Sej or J4 and J4 is the only one with a poor winrate

Not really sure where people are getting the idea they're struggling tbh. Mundo also has a high winrate; he certainly isn't having trouble.

Sejuani at most needs a QoL of her W AoE activating sooner and ticking faster