Why ranked is broken : Ranked matchmaking should be elo/devision based and not mmr based.

MisterJulia·1/17/2017, 2:10:12 PM·114 votes·8,169 views

I see alot of people complaining about ranked lately and I think a large part of the problem comes from ranked matchmaking being mmr based.

The thing with mmr is that nobody but riot uses it and when looking at a player skill level we look at his elo not mmr since mmr is hidden from us so people normaly want to gain elo not mmr but this is where the problems start : lets say you're at a plat level of skills and you play ranked and get placed silver 5. So you probably are going to stomp and carry most games and your mmr will rise alot but after a few games even though you are still silver you'll notice you are being matched with plat players that are at the same skill level as you but hey they are plat and you are silver so you are expected to beat plats to get out of silver wich is absurd and it just keeps people from getting to their right rating and start climbing. Now in the usual case people are not that far from their right ratings but it is here where the problem really shows specialy with low elo players I see alot of people in bronze 2/1 getting matched with silver 3/4 after winning a few games wich is stupid. for a bronze 2 to get to bronze 1 he should be able to beat bronze 2 players not silver 3/4 and in my opinion he should not be matched even with bronze 1 unless in promos.

I understand that the mmr system maybe effective against smurfs but there are other ways to handle smurfs like increasing the lp gain cap so that the people stomping most their games can get out of their devision in 2 or 3 games and make them skip devisions.

Another problem I've seen lately is people getting worst team mates as they go on winning streaks , again the mmr system is the problem : if you are winning alot of games your mmr will increase and when looking for a game the matchmaking will do one if 2 things : 1/ look for a teams around your devision with similar average mmr and because you have an mmr better than you devision's you will get team mates worst than your devisins skill level to even out the average mmr wich means you probably are better than all the players in the game but your team mates are worst than all of the 5 enemy team players.

2/ match you with players higher than your devision wich brings us back to the first problem of beating higher elo players to get out of a lower elo

So in my opinion the ranked matchmaking will be better off placing people with players of the same devision while mmr should only be used to determine how much lp a player gets and if he should or should not skip devisions.

98 Comments

VillainousMonkey1/17/2017, 2:55:01 PM18 votes

The system is designed to move you over the course of lots of games to where it thinks you need to be. If your in Bronze 2 getting placed with silver 3, (not just 1 silver 3 but a whole team) congrats your gonna get like +25/-15 LP gain. Meaning if you simply go even at that elo you will climb. (At least that is how the system is supposed to work.) LP gain is based off elo not MMR. So riot places 2 teams of even MMR together, then looks at the rank of the players and determines based off of rank which team should be more likely to win, from there you get your LP gain/loss

Scruberz1/17/2017, 3:19:49 PM12 votes

Your solution just guarantees even WORSE matchmaking.

CasterGilgamesh1/18/2017, 3:05:52 AM10 votes

i would love if going on a winning streak didnt instantly set me up against better teams and with worse allies just for the sake of balancing

Mog the Mighty1/17/2017, 2:19:01 PM6 votes

Is this really what happens? I always check LoLNexus before a match. I'm Bronze II. I generally play quite well and I've noticed that I often get a team of all Bronze II/III and even some unranked against a full team of Silver V/IV. That seems weird to me.

MLDzXnRRR1/18/2017, 8:22:41 PM5 votes

Like divisions mean anything... It's just an addictive and ego stimulator system and made to grind for a badge.

Randomonium1/17/2017, 5:33:39 PM4 votes

Or we can just do away with the ranks and just go back to MMR.

Last season in my promos to gold I was facing mainly plat players. I found it rather absurd that in order to get into gold I had to beat plat players. Shouldn't I only have to beat gold players to prove I deserve to be in gold?

Theorex1/17/2017, 9:26:13 PM4 votes

Lets take a moment for me to defend the system that I oh so fucking much hate.

Why the mmr based system is good.

Like you said; lets use the plat player as an example.

Plat player has a smurf, gets placed in silver.

What happens when the plat player is playing against silvers? Easy the silvers in general will lose.

How does a silver account that has plat mmr fair for the silver player?

1: Reduced LP lose (11,12,13,14,15), riot acknowledged that you are much better than what you are ranked, hence why you are gaining 28,29,30,31,32 LP per game. (I've done this that why I know the LP gain)

2: For the silver player (saying a smurf), it lets you practice at a low ranking with the same mmr and ruin other peoples MMR's. So lets say that I cap at around 2200 MMR and I get on my smurf, it gets to gold 2 with 2200 MMR. I am a gold 2 playing with diamonds, now I lose much less while gaining a lot and I don't get as punished for it.

Alright now lets put your thing into the works shall we?

Silver 3 players only play with people in silver 3.

1: That does no help improve game play. People that want to get better learn from playing against people who shit on them.

2: The highly likely run into a smurf, you have near no chance of beating them, because no one has had to deal with that type of competence.

3: You can't fix your ELO on a slope. With the current system there are two ways to fix MMR and LP Gain/Lose. It is either Win a bunch, or Lose sooo many games until your MMR matches your ELO. What does that second portion mean? That simply means that Because as you Ryze the mmr gap between each rank/elo is bigger, so eventually you will get to the point where you stop losing lots of MMR and it just flatlines for you, that is when you go back to gaining 20 and losing 20. Then if you start winning you get back up to about 25/26/27/28 LP per game. That is a method, although highly not recommended, it is effective.


Guys some of the systems that they have in place are here for a reason, its not because they want to individually shaft you.

Like last season they didn't listen to so many people telling them that Dynamic Queue was trash, guess what they realized was trash?

Riot goes back and forth with messing with their own game, so I don't expect anything hyper amazing but I also don't expect any major let downs.

I'll be honest, this is the first time I have enjoyed seeing ADC's get the raw end of the shaft. Normally ADC's get babied by riot, but right now it is a glorious evolution.

I will say that ADC's make the game balanced, but we at least can see the result of a adc's are unless meta.

DPS mages, Assassins, Tanks, Everything is able to work at the moment, because ADC's don't shut out any role atm.

Normally it goes, ADC> Tank>Assassins>Mages>ADC. But with ADC gone it is Tank>Assassins>Dps Mages> Tanks. (just a general rule :)

GripaAviara1/19/2017, 1:51:15 AM3 votes

After a huge losing streak (yeah won 1-2 games, HARD, and then the last to games I went rage and toxic after got 2 intentioanal afks in the peultimate game ) I uninstalled the game, it has turned me into a toxic prick from a calm person

It's not fun having a team in bronze that gets stumped on every lane. I'm an average silver player, I'm not that good to hard carry a 0/6 mid and jungler vs players probably better than me that got lower div due to the weird riot choice

They have to fix this asap, or they will lose more players. Bye

ZephyrDrake1/17/2017, 3:40:16 PM3 votes

how to completely destroy ranked in one change. And you thought that high elo had high queue times now they'll never find a game!

King LeBong1/19/2017, 12:12:59 PM2 votes

The 20/1 player in Silver 1 should absolutely play with silver players because that's totally where he belongs :thinking:

Lexyy1/17/2017, 3:57:01 PM2 votes

I would upvote this 100 times if I could.

MFTORANK11/17/2017, 6:15:02 PM2 votes

It's just fucked right now, I feel like i'm repeating myself on the boards but it's so annoying. I don't care about losing I just want fair matches let's look at my last loss ;

My ADC went 2/15 and is hardstuck in s3 with 200 games --average 8 deaths and 1.75 KDA (boosted ..)

Their ADC went 14/4 and is S2 70 LP Gold last season -- average 6 deaths 3KDA

how is that a fair lane

FreeVolibear1/17/2017, 8:07:08 PM2 votes

I agree that it's retarded when you are playing on a good win streak, you are rewarded with teammates that are below your MMR and that is weighed against a team MMR that has little deviation in it and that is how you are assessed for advancement. It's like comparing an apple to an orange to see if you belong in the banana bunch.

grug1/17/2017, 8:35:57 PM2 votes

the system can be an advantage to higher ranked players

consider this: many players already start the game with a mental disadvantage if they lolnexus the game and see that they are silver 2 up against a plat 5 (with nuked mmr) despite that player probably sucking and tilting hard, so they might end up just being passive hoping that plat player doesnt shit on them too hard when realistically that silver guy should be going ham on that tilted plat player to make him tilt harder.

Leonerdo1/17/2017, 8:40:04 PM2 votes

MMR is just a slightly tweaked version of ELO that Riot uses. ELO no longer exists in League, unless you want to use the term to refer to MMR.

Also, I disagree with the rest, but these boards aren't gonna like that opinion, so I'm not gonna waste my time explaining that.

LatetotheRace1/17/2017, 9:35:42 PM2 votes

Ranked based will quickly sort everyone to where they're actually supposed to be.

Chizzah1/17/2017, 10:30:56 PM2 votes

Make it simpler than it already is. You gain equal to how much you lose. This way more bronze will move into silver and more silver will move into gold etc. At the end of the day platinum/gold would be you average players.

So if you have a 60% win rate or up you will climb until you can't climb anymore.

Also identify smurfs better and start them two divisions lower because they feel like playing with smaller que times and feel nothing for norms so let them play outside of bronze and silver at least.

I saw this one guy in about 5 games that always was 20/1/9 and only won against him once because his team let him down.

Bronze player should never face anyone of a higher division before B1 at least.

Resolution1/18/2017, 1:11:34 AM2 votes

My personal favourite is where I keep going against people an entire 1-2 tiers higher then me, because there mmr is messed from last season. I'm seeing alot of Gold and Plat players in silver games.

Pyromaniacks1/17/2017, 10:16:04 PM1 votes

The thing with mmr is that nobody but riot uses it

Everyone uses it actually and it is a good system. League players complain about it because they do not understand it but in other games that use it people largely do not complain about it, except for the lowest of the low. If a plat player is playing against a bunch of silvers its because the plat players mmr tanked horribly (probably because he bought it or was carried somehow) but being demoted from leagues is difficult to do but his mmr is an accurate representation of his current performance.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1/18/2017, 11:21:25 PM1 votes

I see alot of people in bronze 2/1 getting matched with silver 3/4 after winning a few games wich is stupid. for a bronze 2 to get to bronze 1 he should be able to beat bronze 2 players not silver 3/4 and in my opinion he should not be matched even with bronze 1 unless in promos.

high bronze-low silver > same sh*t... really.

LeMemeBoy1/17/2017, 7:50:42 PM1 votes

2/ match you with players higher than your devision wich brings us back to the first problem of beating higher elo players to get out of a lower elo

forgive me for comparing this with sports, because league is not a sport(shut up you sperg, it's not a sport.)

but that logic is absolutely retarded.

if you're good enough to beat a bunch of people in your tier/division, but can't win against people in the tier/division you're trying to climb to, then maybe you don't belong in that division?

its like saying in order to be champ in the UFC, you just have to beat all of the guys in your division EXCEPT the champ because he's just so much better than everyone else in that division.

kind of a bad comparison due to the lifespan of athletes in combat sports, but the gist is the same.

how can i decide a guys worthy to go up to gold if he can beat every silver player, but lose to most golds?

EpicPizzaMaster1/17/2017, 3:36:50 PM1 votes

I've played two ranked matches on two different accounts and in both i got matched with gold players even though i'm unranked. I don't get this system.