3 years plat, 2 years gold - stuck in silver

Meteor Driz·5/17/2019, 9:10:21 PM·7 votes·2,004 views

I'm sorry to everyone that ever said elo hell was real and I didn't believe them.

I finally see it now. I've played since season 2 and I've been every rank from bronze 4 to plat 3. I finally see what elo hell is after all these years.

500+ games this season and I still have absolutely no chance of making it out of silver. It really doesn't matter if I do good or bad. For every epic win I get, there is a 10 minute stomp/AFK/intentional feeder that immediately takes place afterwards.

I'll do good and lose, do bad and win, completely destroy and carry then completely get obliterated right after.

I know people have gotten better at the game over the years but I've never had a problem being able to buckle down and put a climb together like this. Especially in silver. It's hard to believe that I've gotten passed up THAT much to where I'm just a stick in the wind now.

Maybe people that play fighters as mains can climb but me, I just don't even see how it's possible at this point.

Goodluck all.

11 Comments

Kai Guy5/17/2019, 9:36:11 PM2 votes

So.. you might wanna keep in mind this seasons wonky.

Prior B5 was bottom MMR range and it scaled up to Challanger. 27 possible Titles you can have. B5-B1, S5-S1, G5-G1, P5-P1, D5-D1, Masters, Challanger. 5+5+5+5+5+1+1. The MMR titles to the MMR range are all represented here in that range.

Now there is Iron and GM and we took out 5 Divisions of titles. So I4-I1 Etc etc. Looks like this. 4+4+4+4+4+4+1+1+1. This, is also exactly 27 seven tiles. The concept far as I know it is that for a title to matter it needs to represent a skill range. The way to do that is have expectations for the MMR range each Title is ment to represent when an accounts low uncertainty... basically the point some ones floats around after 100's of games. Where players get stuck until they improve or get worse (effectively as skill is measured by ability to win you can get worse at the game due to the nature of the constantly shifting meta. Simple example is dedicated high MMR OTP getting their main reworked and not being good at the new kit.)

So... The ratings folks used from prior season clearly don't have the same values. Your still looking at the entire Ladder having the same MMR values but the Tieres to MMR representation have changed. Riot might compensate for this with different divisions representing a higher range, but assuming that its similar MMR ranges for everything besides the very bottom of iron and the top MMR?

On paper what that would look like is,
Iron is b5-b2. Silver B1-S2. Gold S1-G2 Plat G1-P2 Diamond P1-D2.

But if riots changed the range values? completely up in air. Also making newbies starting MMR lower this season? that's expected to shift the entire ranked ladder down to lower values.

You stand to win more games off a bad player in your MMR then you do to lose them. something like 11.11% I think odds your team is favored to win because of 1 awful player. Or 61.11% V 39.99%. Basically fair to call it 1.5 to 1 odds favored. Not the best at this type of math and I have gotten it wrong before so eh. I feel I am conveying the concept correctly even if I goofed the exact value. You occupied a slot on your team always so 9 open positions result in the Enemy team having higher odds for the worst player... assuming here that your never the weak link.

So everybody who used to maintain their position because of newbies sinking thru their MMR... now lost that source of MMR gain.. so they sink also.

End result... I recommend all players should expect the MMR range and values for all accounts to sink. Just the realistic expectations for the changes riot made in accordance to the MMR system.

Otherwise we see an influx of folks who get hella tilted about not being their "correct rank" and creates more negative feedback and some tilt streaks.

Tldr. Add about 2-3 divisions to current rank to get a feel for what your current MMR range would have been last season.

NoWhalesW5/17/2019, 9:15:28 PM2 votes

you are wrong

KVbqbFsC8e5/17/2019, 9:33:28 PM1 votes

Maybe you're just not as good as you once were. I've never had any issues climbing through Silver.

Eedat5/18/2019, 12:51:47 AM1 votes

You were gold 5 in season 8 and are silver 2 now. How does this prove your point? How good you were in the past is completely irrelevant

Average Ahri5/18/2019, 11:21:06 AM1 votes

I mean, what role are u playing? In low elo you can't expect crap from your teammate. They are literally animals and the game is the zoo. I went from bronze 4 to plat 3 and soon to be play 2 with akali/ahri mid and yorick top. In addition, if you are truly high plat, every game is a feeding frenzy for you. You are the apex. When i was in silver, nearly every game my k/d/a was off the chart.

Pandemic Punch5/18/2019, 11:35:21 AM1 votes

Players are better now at macro. It is possible that you were naturally better at mechanics but never learned to actually play the game.

Play Garen top non stop. Or some other champion and nothing but that champion.

In your last 10 games you have played 9 unique champions including a rumble mid that is just awful. You are the problem. You cant sort out what your problems are until you play the same role and champion every game. This consistency will help you see your mistakes if you are good enough to even know what to look for.

Malix Farwin5/18/2019, 11:41:47 AM1 votes

MMR is massively screwed up right now because of the rank reset that happened a few months ago.

Whats funny is they applied a patch to address it for higher elos but lower elos they figure it doesnt matter. Getting fresh 30s in my gold 2 games feels bad, getting people who are silver 4 feels bad as well, the system is just completely bonkers right now.

sliceruser5/17/2019, 9:15:53 PM1 votes

Im sorry but elo hell is simply a state of mind you put yourself in. People carry themselves out without just playing fighters constantly. Hell i started the season in silver 3 and it took maybe 20 games to hit gold 4 with poppy support