Late game Garen?

VexLuna·7/16/2018, 9:36:15 AM·2 votes·3,936 views

Aight, so lets say i'm Riven, i can pretty much kill garen until level 6, and afterwards i just back off, and whenever possible, i make plays around the map to get my team ahead. mid game, Garen terrorizes the team's squishies, and will die if he literally runs in 1v5. otherwise, SOMEHOW he can win 1v2, and pretty much 1v3 aswell. the later it gets, the better he becomes at doing this. the question is, how in the hell do you put down a garen, you can't focus him down, because you have the enemy team's carries to deal with, but if you do that, your team's carries get destroyed by 1 man alone. No matter what we do, Garen wins. I never thought i'd have an issue with this champion, especially since i understand what i need to do to lane against him. what are your suggestions on how to deal with this guy in a soloqueue environment where there's pretty much 0 communication.

18 Comments

redniwediS7/16/2018, 3:30:49 PM4 votes

SOMEHOW he can win 1v2, and pretty much 1v3 aswell.

This is mostly what happens when a Juggernaut is allowed to hit their mid game power spike uncontested. It's not something that is specific to Garen, though I will admit some Juggernauts are better at it than others.

There are a lot of ways to deal with him, and to deal with this situation against other Juggernauts, but if you're Riven you kind of have to snowball in order to do it. It's not enough to just go even, you actively have to get the ball rolling. And in this particular matchup sometimes it's not enough to get your ball rolling, you also have to set Garen behind. Unless you know the matchup really well (no offense meant but it doesn't seem like you do) you'll likely have to ask for some Jungle assistance to put Garen behind in levels, but once he is down you should be able to keep him there if you don't get cocky.

Ideally you want a duelist champ that doesn't have to snowball in order to be strong. Someone who can scale into the mid game just by going even in lane. Garen is decent at dueling, but loses one on one to the majority of duelists after a certain point in their itemization. Jax, Fiora, Camille, and the like can all struggle at points, but eventually will be able to reliably fight him if he extends himself too far. You kill him enough in the side lanes and you can force him to teamfight, and while he's not exactly a poor teamfighter at least there you can focus your fire.

ValiantKiller7/16/2018, 9:57:53 AM1 votes

I will give you the master mind of destroying people 1v1 special garen, Urgot item 3071 item 3022 item 3742 item 3812 he will destroy garen and R him before garen say demcia even. And urgot destroy him in lane too.

Daruis and illaoi , Yorick + ult all of them good deal with garen.

Gewaltherrscher7/17/2018, 10:06:58 AM1 votes

Kayle,Cho'Gath,Singed,Darius,Jax,Camille,Fiora,Kennen,Riven,Illaoi,Urgot,GP and Quinn beat Garen in every stage of the game.

SuperCommander7/18/2018, 10:46:47 AM1 votes

I find it odd that you win before 6. Granted I am not high level but in my experience the early lane goes to Garen while Riven has a better lategame/teamfight. Make plays around the map using your supreme mobility. You should also be able to do good trades between 6 and 11. Just poke Garen and disengage over and over.

Pika Fox7/19/2018, 1:50:21 PM1 votes

He lacks real gap closing potential. Hit him with a stun and he physically cant get to your backline.