Its really confusing to me whats going on with top lane atm

Diamond2Kappa·2/17/2018, 10:40:55 PM·19 votes·2,387 views

Im watching a random game from hashinshins stream rn for fun and basically, he shoves Maokai out and beats him in lane as Aatrox. Even when the Maokai finished Bramble Vest and the lane was even, hashinshin beat him. Later he goes on about tanks being unbeatable and the most overpowered a class has ever been since like Season 3.
But back in reality, the hashinshin beats the Maokai 1v1. No Mercs, 0 MR. And of course he won the game because Maokai got outscaled like most tanks do.

Normally Id just say "its hashinshin" but everyone seems to agree with him so.. whats the deal here? The game Im talking about if anyone wants to watch it https://www.twitch.tv/videos/229806722?t=09h23m37s

Edit: the link doesnt seem to work for me lel, its at 9 hours 23 minutes tho https://i.gyazo.com/657f2b7b74b47f6a4dac38890bbd08d7.png

66 Comments

Critmaster Garen2/18/2018, 1:51:26 AM12 votes

i wouldnt agree with him on tanks in specific. but there are two valid points to consider.

a) a lot of top lane mains actually quit top lane and swapped to other roles, and more are still quitting. its currently the least picked out of all 5 positions including support. this means the few top lane mains who are left mostly face auto filled players, which kindof skews the matchups and statistics in a way, where the top mains who are more familiar with the champions and matchups win their lane more often

b) top lane overall has very little agency over the game. if you dont play a tank whos main job is to provide utility in teamfights and plays very similar to a support and just peels for his marksman, youll have almost no impact on the game. winning or losing top matter very little, since most games are almost exclusively decided by the outcome of bot lane and end before top lane bruisers or carries have a chance to have a major influence.

the conditions for top lane bruisers to get into a position to carry are quite ridiculous. you have to be in absolute control of your lane with a large cs lead and be able to get turret first blood before it can go to one of the bot lane duos. if one of those conditions isnt met, youre getting outscaled by bot lane before the lane phase ends, and will never even be able to catch up.

Rexxiee2/18/2018, 1:34:11 AM9 votes

Have you watched his every other game against tanks/ornn who rushed tabi bramble?

He usually goes 0-5-0 and kills himself by autoing.

While tabi and bramble are broken, the current top tier top laners are even more broken to the point where they actually beat that, like GP/Camille, those 2 champs are probably the most broken champs in the game (there are challenger camille players with over 70% winrate IN CHALLENGER) atm so it is kind of dumb that ppl say top has 0 impact.

zarxus12342/17/2018, 10:53:17 PM6 votes

Everything points towards top lane being the best lane in the game right now. In the lcs top lane champs are running rampant. The forums are living last season where adc's literally stood still and auto attacked everyone to death.

Its just going to take them time to catch up on the reality of the situation.

Pretty much the forums are living in the past and refuse to acknowledge whats going on.

greekvandaL2/17/2018, 11:49:45 PM4 votes

Cam is disgusting since release. Sion is fine imo. Gp abuses klepto and he will be gutted to unplayability if the pbe nerfs hit live. Reng?Way too hard to play post lane unless the enemy already losing.

the rest are just random champs that are barely relevant

Chromatic Eagle2/18/2018, 1:30:24 AM3 votes

Why does Riven have a 12.5% pick rate?

Ahristocats2/18/2018, 3:00:30 AM3 votes

hashinshin is right on everything except the part where "tanks are broken and beat everything"

T4underbolt2/18/2018, 1:55:55 PM3 votes

So you base your opinion entirely of one game where additionally maokai played like boosted kid completely not respecting hashinshin. While you can be bad and still pull it off picking a tank, if you're straight up dumb you won't win even picking tank and that's the case with maokai player.

Have you seen any other game? It literally is impossible to beat a tank. And Aatrox unlike everyone else claim, isn't bad which hash proved already. Tank e.g. ornn spams abilities off cooldown, having no mana issues, his abilities being barely possible to avoid and out damaging a champion who is supposed to deal damage and have better sustain.

And that top lane champions in challenger you listed here. Half of them need nerfs/adjustments and the other half is barely picked and only viable by one tricks.

Brain Errör 4042/18/2018, 6:35:20 PM3 votes

Wait what? The second maokai got bramble, it should've been obvious he had aatrox beat. That Maokai made a mistake worse than a bronze player where he tps in front of aatrox's face where aatrox gets free hits and damage off without retaliation. Lol.

And that's only part of it. You seem to have conveniently left out the part where about 15minutes after that he starts getting his back demolished by said Maokai.