Tanks that deal damage your opinion?

Gentleman Shaco·4/13/2016, 11:04:04 PM·2 votes·1,178 views

tanks they have many uses utility CC peeling then there is DPS tanks tanks that not only get a ton of HP but also deal "Tons of dmg"

what's your opinion on tanks atm discuss below, no flaming keep it constructive

p.s the reason i'm using the terminology "dps tank" is to cover a wide range of champions not everyone filling the tank roll is labeled a tank u got "fighters" "juggernauts" "tanks" and some other weird ones that dont belong in any of the mentioned, so for the sake of "getting the gist across" interpret it to what you understand, hope this clarifies :)

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Variks the Loyal4/13/2016, 11:07:09 PM5 votes

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tanks they have many uses utility CC peeling then there is DPS tanks tanks that not only get a ton of HP but also deal "Tons of dmg"

what's your opinion on tanks atm discuss below, no flaming keep it constructive

You're not talking about a tank.

A champion that brings CC and utility, something like lockdown or protection, while also being very difficult to kill, is a tank.

A champion that brings carry-level damage, with little CC, while also being very difficult to kill, is not a tank. It is a 'juggernaut' or 'bruiser'.

EndlessSorcerer4/13/2016, 11:05:11 PM2 votes

then there is DPS tanks tanks that not only get a ton of HP but also deal "Tons of dmg"

The word you are looking for is "fighter" (or situationally "juggernaut").

epicgizmo5194/13/2016, 11:14:19 PM1 votes

im not sure if u using the right words for tanks but i understand what u mean i like tanks that can deal dmg and be taken in the support role like these few DrMundo Trundle TahmKench Malphite Maokai Nautilus i play these champs to spice up playing my main role support for like 5 hours at day i know some are better top/jungle and some people dodge cause its non meta but i dont understand why most of them have great cc or slows or some ability that help them support and stay in lane to tank up dmg srry for long post just spouting my mind abit if anyone else plays support share ur picks plz have a good day :P

Variks the Loyal4/13/2016, 11:16:51 PM1 votes

That being said, my opinion:

Juggernauts are a good addition and can be healthy. They have a glaring, clear weakness (kiting), as well as a few others (Lot's of health, little resistances, little utility, etc).

A lot of champions you see 'building juggernaut' aren't actually meant to be juggernauts, or even tanks. If you see Ekko rockin' a Sunfire Cape and an Iceborn Gauntlet, it's because something is wrong in Ekko's kit. He has too much damage or too much utility, etc. He's building Juggernaut, but lacks a Juggernaut's traditional weaknesses.

The issue isn't with the items, but with the champions. Nerfing the items will make the actual Juggernauts and Tanks suffer, Luckily, there are ways to promote building damage on champions meant to deal damage. For example, Ekko's base damage is getting nerfed, and his scaling is getting buffed. In a perfect world, his AP builds (The intended buildpath) will deal the same amount of damage that they do now, but his non-AP builds will have their damage cut drastically. We saw this recently with Master Yi and Fiora changes.

Gentleman Shaco4/13/2016, 11:20:10 PM1 votes

for all intensive purposes right now juggernauts/Fighters are filling the tank roll insert x y champion but i'm primarily referring to a champion who builds 1 damage item and the rest "tank" while being able to dish out carry level damage, you all obviously understood what i meant so having to specific names just gives people reason to point finger and make excuses, besides if your Juggernaut has 3-4k health and you can't ignore him for all intensive purposes he is a tank

putting aside the argument "what is and isnt" a tank i'll point out these generic popular picks

Garen RekSai Poppy Shyvana Ekko Trundle (and many more just to list afew )not all of these as you can see. should be labeled a tank among other things, but more or less these are what are being used to fill that roll quite often

p.s everyone's bringing up good points and thinking deeper about it id like to see this continued, so try n bear with each other and our disagreements, i'm fully aware imbalance can cause the birth of a tanky like champion that does obscene damage this more or less gets fix'd in a patch or two, also what about entire teams of "juggernauts"

J E B A ł T E D4/13/2016, 11:20:39 PM1 votes

Darius

Erockandroll4/14/2016, 9:02:45 PM1 votes

Forgetting terminology for a moment. Some damage on a Tank is eventual for a tank to even work. If a tank did almost no damage, he could would have problems clearing wave, compared Bruisers who can clear the minion line faster. Part of the reason why I'd argue that the best tanks have good AoE (Usually paired with their CC for team engage) And if they didn't have that damage in the Jungle, their opposite number will out level them. The only way a tank wouldn't need a base line level of damage is if they were filling the support role. Yet they wouldn't have the gold to be the main front line. (Unless your Alistar with his ult up)

The main difference is between Burst tanks, and Juggernauts, when it comes to how that damage is applied. Obviously Juggernauts will do more damage over all that Burst tanks, But burst tanks tend to have more CC and more team engage. But both forms give you the same feel, (Hard to kill, hard to ignore.)

Ralanr4/13/2016, 11:07:37 PM1 votes

By dps tanks, do you mean Garen ?