@Riot The nerfs that feel the worst are the ones that say "their fun is more important than yours"

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Nerfs always feel bad, underserved or otherwise, but the worst kind of nerf is the kind that says to players "your fun isn't as important to us as someone else's". This happened to Evelynn Season 2, leaving her intentionally horrible, so bad in fact that she become shorthand for "I'm trolling, dodge", and people were legitimately banned for playing her and doing poorly because it was hard to distinguish a bad Evelynn game from just plain trolling. Evelynn players were abused by the community, and their fun taken from them by riot, because their fun was impacting the fun of others. You didn't see Evelynn every game, and she was never overpowered. But playing against Evelynn was frustrating for new players. So Evenlynn players had their fun taken away.

That's the most extreme example of this happening that I can think of. But it has happened to other champions to lesser degrees.

This is the worst feeling sort of nerf. The sort where a champion who isn't actually too powerful, but the community outcry is. I thought Riot had abandoned this idea, Kalista's existence seems to spit in the face of the idea that a champion who isn't fun has to be kept competitively unviable. So why does it seem like community outcry is still affecting who is nerfed and who isn't? Why do champions who never or almost never even get looked at for competitive play, get nerfed?

I'm just perplexed. Riot why?

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exiledFromBadmen3 votes

I really miss Evelynn T_T

ScreamPaste1 votes

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I really miss Evelynn T_T

The same. Old Eve was fun, even after she was gutted I'd play her as a roamer and support because I guess I play fast and loose with my account and MMR, lol.

Even after her rework she's really fun, but she's just not an assassin anymore, and that's sad.

disregardable2 votes

Is this about the Riven nerf? Because that wasn't exactly a large enough nerf to call it "fun killing". Also, Kalista isn't unfun to lane against. Her only issue is with champions that she sees only a few times during the game, melee with no gap closer tops/jglers.

ScreamPaste3 votes

The Riven nerf did inspire it, but this is a series of thoughts I've had for years, since I've been a Shaco main since I started playing this game years ago, and he's seen some changes in the same vein as this, where people just complained until Riot made him worse. I liked Evelynn, too, but never mained her or anything, I do sympathise with her players though since I tend to take a lot of abuse in game over my champion choices.

That's another thing that bothers me about this, I guess. The people who complain about Riven on the boards are largely the same people who treat Riven players like human waste in game, they get to control our fun in game and out, why?

And the thing is, nowadays, even Shaco sees more pro play than Riven, but whatever, better remove her ult and make sure she takes more damage from minion aggro in trades, I guess.

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disregardable2 votes

It's literally just a slow down. She will still easily hit people with her ult. Stop overreacting. Riot DOES still ruin a champion's fun, Zilean is an actual example of that, but Riven is fine.

ScreamPaste2 votes

Zilean isn't justified either, and I'm not overreacting, this kind of nerf does feel bad, a lot of the champions I play get nerfed, and when it's justified, sure, it feels bad but I can look at it and say "well, all right, yeah."

When was the last time Riven was picked, let alone won a game competitively? And again, while that inspired this post, this isn't solely about that nerf.

It's about how aggravating it is to have the people who abuse you in game over who you play have power over your champion as well.

disregardable3 votes

The only time I can ever dodge Riven's ult is if I flash. It's not totally unjustified.

ScreamPaste2 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5u5dvvW7U

Now you can go make a sandwich and still have time to walk out. Also, I've dodged many, many Riven ults, maybe it's because I play her and I find her ult extremely predictable, but in melee range the cone is so thin you can juke to the side to avoid it even on champs without dashes. At mid range you do need a dash, but at the far end you can juke it there without one, too.

Anecdotes aside, both of ours being equally invalid in objective discussion, the objective truth is she isn't seeing competitive play, and my subjective fear is that this will ensure she never does.

disregardable3 votes

That's not even slow lol. Honestly, if anything, I'd say it's like the Graves nerf. If you play her to her strengths, all-in-wombo-combo, you won't have a problem. If you try to catch someone on the tail edge as they flash away, probably gonna miss.

The reason Riven isn't seeing any competitive play is because she is basically a Fiora that can't split push. What's the point in bringing her? She really doesn't bring much to a team.

ScreamPaste1 votes

I'm not sure how to respond to "that's not even slow" other than incredulity. So have some incredulity, I guess.

Wat.

Also:

http://champion.gg/champion/Graves Graves' winrate has completely eaten it. We'll have to wait to find out how it affects him on the pro circuit, but the change seems to have been so significant that it has affected lanes other than bot lane in solo queue.

Twisted Fate is now more viable because ganking bot is more possible when you are less likely to get your face shot out the back of your skull, for example.

Riven isn't seeing competitive play for a multitude of reasons, this change alleviates none of them.

Puri Puri Taric1 votes

bohooh.

Puri Puri Taric1 votes

bohooh.

qetzel1 votes

You have to balance the fun of the person playing the champion with the fun of the person playing against that champion. It is not an easy job. I think Riot are getting much, much better at it.

Proffesional play and soloqueue are also different things. What is strong in competitive play is not necessarily good in soloqueue and what is strong in soloqueue could be shit in professional play. You need to balance for both. Again, this is something that I think Riot has got much better at.

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