This change landed on PBE today http://puu.sh/A0EzD/dd2d954f52.jpg Lots of people seem upset about it
But one thing that I've barely seen mentioned is that Seraph's embrace actually is untouched Here is PBE Archangels: https://puu.sh/A0EyT/fbaeb9aa7b.jpg Here is PBE Seraphs: http://puu.sh/A0EEa/31f7908937.jpg
I presume Riot wants to solidify it as the scaling mana item it is intended to be by making it weaker before completion
Actually didn't think of that, and personally if that is what they're going for then I'm fine with it.
So the scaling zeal items are allowed to be a good rush, but one of the only scaling AP items isn't? Cewl
It's not about that, it's about the early game, mages are already screwed early game mana-wise/ap-wise, they can't even clear a wave probably without getting chunked to below 50% hp by the other manaless champs who don't even have a cd (yasuo, zed, etc.).
Mages are already shit early game, this will make them even shittier.
Cost should be lowered to compensate.
That's beyond retarded when crit items are a thing that cost as little as 2600g
Oh. I just thought if they touched archangels then seraphs just gets that too. Since its only archangels thats fine.
It's a better change than most of us initially thought, but it's also a blanket nerf to most midlaners, so = /
It's very hard to just switch over to using Echo or GLP instead because Lost Chapter is such a rough ask at 1100g.
It's extremely unclear that this is the change, but I can confirm that it is the change.
Prolly still build it because the other 2 opens are still bad lol. i mean Luden's is good for poking down auto shield if you do not have any long range poke to do it and hextech item is still a joke.
It's still 16 minutes which you are drastically AP nerfed prior to the evolve minimum, and that's assuming you RUSH it. If you second or third item it, it's a full game nerf.
While this is a good way to nerf it, I'm highly skeptical that this is their plan. I expect to see Seraph's nerfed the same way.
Perhaps a third 
item could be introduced. The item would stack up and give you health from mana. Then it could have an active that gives you 
so that I can ward even if I am not the support.
Honestly, my only issue is that Riot seems surprised people keep building this item but we don't have a choice since it is literally the only mana regen item left.
am asking... Is the board serious enough to not seeing how theses sh*t 
are op atm ???
Even during 
opness assassins players admitted draktharr was op.
If that actually is intentional and not just an oversight from them, then yes, it's fine. If They also bring seraphs down to 1%, it's a bit to much and also hitting the wrong spot.
Archangel gives everything that mages want i dont see the problem reducing the dmg from it.
I think hitting archangel's not seraph's is a goood call. It should never have been a rush item.
It's gonna keep being the best mana item if both GLP and Ludens are left sub-par. They simply don't provide enough mana for late game teamfights and now that old Morellos passive is a rune (presence of mind) there's even less hope of a meaningful change.
