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Please do not nerf Jungle XP once again

whitekatana01·11/3/2018, 5:46:20 PM·60 votes·16,940 views

Earlier this season, if anyone who played jungle can remember, we had an XP reduction in the early game where we can no longer farm 3 camps (for example, blue wolves then red) to get lvl 3, we had to secure scuttle crab or a fourth camp to get that 3rd level. It shifted the way the meta was for a lot of early game junglers to come into play such as Xin Zhao, Taliyah, Graves, Lee sin, ect. According to riot, they're nerfing xp ONCE AGAIN because they're finding that Junglers get higher levels than every other role in the game. I'd like to start by saying that this is very false. In almost all of my ranked games including in the enemy team I find that top and mid are always at least one level higher than the jungler. If they stayed in lane and got a lead from the enemy they can even be up to 2 or 3 levels higher than the jungler depending on how fed they are. Even if the laner didn't get any kills and just permafarmed the lane they would still be 1 level higher than the jungler. The only case scenario where the jungler is a level higher than the laners is if they tax a lane that they're walking into or in range of where minions die so a portion of the xp is transferred over to them + the xp that they're receiving from clearing camps. If Riot really wanted something to do about that, they should target the xp junglers get from lanes, not the whole jungle itself. They already introduced nerfs to gold funneling with the Monster Hunter passive where gold is reduced, maybe that can do something with that to also apply it to xp, I think that's a lot more fair than to absolutely skew the jungle where champions who rely on farming and obtaining lvl 6 get punished. In my opinion, they should just focus on nerfing the strongest early game jungler right now like Graves, Taliyah, and even Xin Zhao..

So please don't make this change, it will not be a healthy one nor a rewarding one. here's the link to what they want to do. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/o7Ts852E-quick-gameplay-thoughts-october-31

92 Comments

Power Cosmic11/3/2018, 9:46:52 PM20 votes

My final personal verdict is the crab is stupid content.

Hayaishi211/3/2018, 6:21:45 PM19 votes

Well Riot has to find a way to reduce JGs impact, no other role matters as much as the jungler does and that is a problem.

BestPudgeNA11/4/2018, 4:19:26 AM9 votes

Laners at the start of S8: Nerf level 3 Jungle ganks Me: You know if they nerf level 3 Jungle ganks i'm just gonna gank you level 2 as Xin instead because the problem isn't JG OP the problem is you're overextended and playing bad Laners when patch 8.10: OMFG level 2 ganks are OP and Graves is OP Me in patch 8.10 You know Graves is only OP because he hard outscales other junglers and level 2 ganks only work because you're inting Laners in patch 8.21: OMFG Junglers are ganking less at level 2 and instead farming for mid/late game Me in patch 8.21: You know the only reason junglers are farming is because their ability to gank has been hard gutted for a year straight and people stop dying to the obvious level 2 ganks and now were forced to do Krugs and still be behind in XP with the most obvious forced pathing but somehow you're still dying to this same retarded shit tier level 6 gank for the 100th straight game.

Jungle confirmed OP yet again boys. More nerfs coming boys, can't wait to here why we are OP next season.

Hügö11/3/2018, 7:58:23 PM9 votes

As long as laners still think it is the junglers fault that they die and not that the massivly missplay they will continue to complain and riot will listen to the crybabys.

5050BS11/3/2018, 7:41:19 PM8 votes

No it needs nerfs. We and Riot does not want the lvl 2 gank shit that has been happening.

If the Jungler ganks at lvl 2 the laners should be lvl 3

Junlger needs to be like the Support, always behind unless fed.

Rexxiee11/3/2018, 10:07:50 PM7 votes

"please dont nerf my overpowered role, who cares about every other position"

Selfish jungle mains as usual.

Summonah1236911/3/2018, 10:06:10 PM7 votes

Honestly they should just buff the xp ffs (I'm a jungle main and I relate to any other junglers suffering from this xp bs).

Bisaknosp11/3/2018, 11:28:13 PM7 votes

jungle exp deserves hard nerfs tbh, early game gankers need to be punished more imo

Smyrage11/4/2018, 11:12:34 AM6 votes

It's already an issue, that most players are stuck in the jungle farming and updates like this make the small circle of viable junglers even smaller. Why are they making universal nerfs instead of nerfing the champions, which cause the problem?

Somebody Love Me11/4/2018, 8:48:10 PM5 votes

Just revert the crab bullshit. I'd rather be ganked at 2:30 by a level 3 jungler (because usually I'm not level fucking 1) than ganked at like 2 min by a level 2 jungler who can burst me down or red buff me to death because his name is probably Lee Sin, Xin Zhao, or Graves.

Wentiko11/4/2018, 10:18:54 AM4 votes

lets go! 3 consecutive seasons of gutting early game junglers nbd. I'm ready for the ivern meta

ez mental boom11/3/2018, 6:58:14 PM4 votes

Are they nerfing the krugg path? lmao

oortoomeebreesuu11/4/2018, 5:46:09 AM2 votes

Lower rewards, more camps and more often. Move the jungle closer to the base (the walls are SO far away from the nexus) and you could fit in another layer of camps on top and bot. Something along the lines of "more rewarding to kill the enemy variant" in the same vein as poacher's dirk, good idea but poor execution on that item.

I hear casters talk about "power farming" jungle its like are you kidding most of these junglers are literally sitting in river for whole minute and dont fall behind xp. no. bring back REAL power farming, so that champs like yi and shyvana can be more than meaningless noob stompers. where are the areas of the map a champion like amumu can farm safely without getting blasted by lee or graves, only to have them walk to the other side of his jungle and do it again?

make ganks more accountable. if you spend a minute and a half in my top bush you should be losing opportunity cost, but you pretty much don't. Just waiting for that scuttle respawn so i can get a minion wave of gold killing one creature, go to another camp and coming straight back a level higher. this is absolutely trash gameplay.

Leto GT11/4/2018, 1:56:31 AM2 votes

The only way a jungler can get ahead like this is by getting really fed early or by being full granted scuttle contol. The latter happens very often but thats because Its still hard for ppl to knowledge it so they naturally goes to the person who wins the jungle match up in champ select. Ultimately, this nerf will make the losing jungler even weaker.

SSXXIII11/3/2018, 9:46:35 PM1 votes

Okay short example,if you play someone like graves you can clear camps fast so your jungle will be empty pretty often and as example the enemy kha is ganking bot and nothing is gankable do you know what that means? graves will clear in that time the whole top side of kha so he s equal in levels to sololaners if not ahead from kill exp or taxing (both)