Can we nerf Talons base MR? ( Reasonable Thread )

Cutey eGirl owo·11/23/2018, 7:02:14 PM·16 votes·7,692 views

Okay so, Talon is the ONLY CHAMPION in the entire game, that starts with 39 MR, then gaining 1.25 each level, while every ranged champion starts with 30MR + 0.5 per level and most melee champions start with 32ish + 1 each level.

His base MR was given to him to help him survive tougher lanes against mages, cause mages were really strong during the assassin update ( looking at syndra ) Then he became out of control when they "bugfixed " his q making its range go up from 500 to 575 or something like that, he would rush tiamat + mobies, w auto Q tiamat, wave instant gone, then roam and the mages couldnt even poke him out because of his super high base mr, riot did nothing about that.

NOW, riot added free stats meaning if talon is against a mage....or an ap assassin ( who he already stomps super hard ) he can choose to get free magic resist, up to 12 free magic resist lvl 1, not to mention free dmg and free health etc.

So.....if he decides to take the 12 free mr he starts with 39 + 6 + 6 = 51, a WHOLE 51 MR AT LVL 1......... 51 is more than half of 100, at LEVEL ONE.

He can't get poked in, he can't get shoved in, he can't get outroamed, he doesnt lose any damage for having this much mr, he never dies, insta roams, insta shoves. Its honestly out of control. YOu guys can let him keep his insane roam, insane shove, insane dmg........but at least get rid of the stupid atrocity of 51 mr at lvl 1.

Nerf his base mr by 9, change it from 39 to 30....and if 9 is too much ( which it isnt cause mages and ap assassins arent even that strong right now ) change it to 32 like the rest of the melee champs.

Anwyays i know i didnt have the best format so.......TL:DR

Talon starts with 39 base MR + 1.25 per level, most melee champs start with ~ 32 + ~ 1 per level, ranged champions start with 30 + 0.5 per level, and tanks start with a bit more ofc.

Talon with his high base MR gets to abuse the new mr shards to start with 51 MR at level one which is pretty broken and crazy because he already has so many other annoying tools so we need to please nerf his MR cause its out of control thanks, or if you want to keep his mr? nerf his roam, nerf his dmg, nerf his shove. but im sure you don't wanna do that so just nerf his mr by 7-9 at lvl 1, thanks!

51 MR AT LEVEL 1 IS NOT OKAY.

15 Comments

PalPlays11/23/2018, 7:09:51 PM5 votes

This is a solid point. Certain champions will most definitely need to be hit in the base stats to balance out the stat shard system. I remember that Talon in particular got quite a few incremental buffs to his base MR when the rune system was overhauled. Thanks for bringing it to the community's attention; they'll probably roll out a major sweep of base stat changes come early January.

Nausicäa 11/23/2018, 10:36:14 PM1 votes

Yup played against one last night. Shit is ridiculous. He takes 0 dmg from you early.

If get gets item 3111 after item 3134 watch as your entire rotation fails to drop him below half. Meanwhile even with your +10 armor he one combos you easily.

Andevar11/23/2018, 11:12:39 PM1 votes

Talon does need nerfs to his MR, but I feel like the overall rune changes hit a lot of champs hard, him especially. The ability to take free armor/MR is a real middle finger to some champs.

LordGeovanni11/23/2018, 11:26:42 PM1 votes

I like this post everything except where you say talon cant get shoved in mages still have low cooldown aoe spells with higher damage at range. His E should have at least a 120 mana cost though just on the low end.

wolvius11/24/2018, 12:09:22 AM1 votes

Lol did you say he could choose health shard for laning that is the shitest stat ever. That Mr amount and scaling sounds ridiculous though.

Noor Sakata11/24/2018, 2:07:31 AM1 votes

People will use the argument " But he has 46% winrate "

Well even so , I don't honestly care about his MR I Just get pissed for playing too good against him but then he buys item 3155 and pisses me off With his base MR Talon doesn't really need Hexdrinker , I hate it when he does , hitting him with 2 rotations and ignite and he still doesn't die , while he kills you with 1 rotation A good Talon will never buy MR besides Boots though , because a good Talon knows that Talon doesn't need it , which means he is free too go full damage and never freaking fall in late game

Malak11/24/2018, 3:36:43 AM1 votes

lets give everyone the same base stats, the same abilities, but different skins.

Now everything is perfectly balanced!

Shaydrox11/24/2018, 10:44:47 AM1 votes

While I agree that his base MR is stupid, this buff was originally given to him because he was too good in top lane and struggled too much in midlane. With the W nerf he received a couple of months back, his midlane presen has gotten worse since, if you nerf his MR right now he's gonna be basically useless. Also his current midlane winrate has taken a massive hit, and if anything he needs help rather than nerfs.

Warlord Rhinark11/24/2018, 1:52:57 PM1 votes

Talon item 3156 item 3139 item 3111 + Two Magic Resistance Rune Shards + Nullifying Orb.

I mean, at least he doesn't have a silence anymore. That'd make him an even bigger Mage counter than Kassadin.

ankoanko1911/24/2018, 4:37:41 PM1 votes

which it isnt cause mages and ap assassins arent even that strong right now WhatT? Nani?!!!!!!!!!! What gam,e are you playing? Are we playing the same game? The game where almost every mage runs DH and where DH is the best rune? The game where LB/Kass are oppressive as fuck? The game where Viktor top is still an issue? Mages are super fucking op right now because of DH.

Cutey eGirl owo11/25/2018, 2:04:53 AM1 votes

THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK BOYS, GUESS THE COMMUNITY DECIDED, NERF HIS BASE MR ITS SUPER ANNOYING TO HAVE A 51 MR TALON AT LVL 1 AS A MAGE WHO OUTSHOVES, OUTROAMS AND OUTDAMGES YOU WHILE NEVER DYING.