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As I watch my roommate stream trying to get out of bronze, he wonders what he does wrong

Peel Your ADC·2/9/2016, 10:19:56 PM·2 votes·1,074 views

When I told him that it came down to the decisions he made before he got into the game, he got confused.

So I sat down and looked over his shoulder at his pick of Ashe and said she's not an ADC you can use in Bronze.

He asks why and I explain it as such: If your entire team is 0/3 individually, can you still perform the task your role is given effectively? And I think that it's rather profound for climbing out of low elo. Picking champs that rely on competency and teamwork is a gamble that you most likely end up regretting and do the Ranked Cha-Cha slide where you win 2 lose 2, win 1 lose 3 etc etc.

Am I way off base here or is there some actual merit, especially given the chaotic placement rush?

22 Comments

Alpha Water Bear2/9/2016, 11:04:46 PM2 votes

If someone is in bronze it does not matter what they or the other team picks. No one is using their abilities correctly and no one has any where close to decent mechanics.

In order to get out of bronze focus on csing in a bot game against no one. Then play a bunch of bot games focusing on csing. Then focus on trading damage while csing. Then focus on going all in and getting kills while csing. Then go into ranked again.

At this point one will be able to better use their champions abilities and know how to properly farm if they have a free lane. In bronze either they go all in badly which your better ability use will punish (a lot of the time these bad plays work because the other person is just as bad and does not use their abilities correctly) or they will sit back and take whatever you do to them until they get pissed off and go in on you badly with less cs/gold when already at half life because yolo.

Dominick Destine2/10/2016, 12:13:40 AM2 votes

That's a good point.

I would also agree that rather than pick champions that rely on their team... better at Bronze to pick champions that PUNISH the enemy team for not playing competently (Fiddlesticks Khazix Nocturne Nidalee Tryndamere Zed )... in terms of ADC, I would say Caitlyn is the most self-reliant/independent ADC.

Troiann2/10/2016, 3:47:02 AM2 votes

Honestly low elo for me was a giant stomp shit fest.

It doesn't matter how much you know or don't know, if you're mechanically good enough to get 15 kills by the 20 minute mark they will ff and you get free LP.

Took 800 games of normals to finally get good with mechanics though so yeah.....I didn't learn much about objective control and game knowledge until I tried to get to plat.

Paladin 0f Life2/9/2016, 10:36:45 PM1 votes

Nah ashe is immobile and just screwed in a team fight with bronzies. Maybe Quinn or a decent tristana cuz it always goes late game. But honestly play a carry sup or jung like annie, morg, lux. That aren't helpless if your adc sucks which they normally do. Also try jax, xin, diana, amumu, or vi so you can carry the team with sick engage and ganks. Honestly do not try weak champs like gragas that are team reliant. I can't tell u how many times I get a great pick and my team backs off of a 5v3 when I delete the carry then I die or have to back.

Yummines2/9/2016, 10:23:56 PM1 votes

Possibly. The thing is, I got placed in Bronze I and managed to carry myself into Silver V just playing Braum.

I don't think it's necessarily bad to play a champ that relies on his teammates, if you can communicate effectively what you're going to do and how you're going to do it. Pinging usually gets the message across pretty effectively.

Of course you can get unlucky and have teammates that don't listen, but that applies to any multiplayer game and not just League.

Athenes Lulu2/10/2016, 12:13:06 AM1 votes

Picking teammate-reliant champs in bronze isn't necessarily bad, but just more difficult to climb.

If you are going to pick someone team-reliant, then you have to be extra smart and skilled, and have to find different ways because dealing with smart people is definitely different from dealing with idiots who have no idea on what is an Ashe/Braum/etc.

ThatH1N12/10/2016, 12:15:07 AM1 votes

I have a smurf on eune that I play every once in awhile. I am finding in low bronze assassins are just magical carries that hardly ever lose when played correctly.

ValyrianBlade2/10/2016, 12:52:09 AM1 votes

No, you're at least partially right if not entirely.

I'm not a bad player, I went something like 17-3 at the end of last season to pull up to gold in my first ~60 games of ranked.

If you looked at my match history now? You'd think I was garbage.

The thing my teams have all had in common in my losses? They pick no tanks. I'm an ADC main and I get no peel.

I'm good enough to win a 4v5 as Jinx when I get a couple tanks to make a front line (went 17/5/9) at my current elo, Simultaneously I guess I'm bad enough to lose >70% of my ranked games so far this season. And you're right, I can't play my role without a front line. Which is a shame.

So the area I think you're wrong? Most front line tanks can't do their role very well without teammates that do damage. However I still think they're very worthwhile picking in to any team. ESPECIALLY at low elo where people will focus tanks and chase endlessly instead of going for objectives.

ThatH1N12/9/2016, 11:22:06 PM1 votes

So what adc did you suggest he play?

HigeR2/9/2016, 10:25:17 PM1 votes

well, from an objective point of view, yes you are right, yet a good Ashe player can warp the whole game for a bronze lvl enemy team and given the fact that bronze players don't understand much about counterpicking or assassins mechanically, I think Ashe is not that bad idea, the extra utility will come in handy I guess.

Zero Skill Tank2/9/2016, 10:30:18 PM1 votes

You are only partly right IMO, Ashe might have problems performing ADC role without organised team, that's right, but she pretty much still perform her role of an initiator, I imagine ECA being quite a bit to take for enemy bronzies late game, and bronze games often drag as far as I know.

If there's a thing bronzies are good at it's jumping on enemies after a hard engage.