Hey, Thanks for Changing Eve to Full AP

ZER0 2·9/27/2017, 3:22:47 PM·78 votes·3,334 views

Just a little reminder because I'm seeing a few posts about wanting AD Eve (why? It reduces her overall damage from both kits, and she still plays the same sillies sigh) and I just wanted to let you know that as someone who also plays Evelynn, (and I'm sure there's more of us) I'm very happy that she only has AP scaling now. Makes things much more simple, and more cohesive (plus we needed more full AP junglers). So thank you Riot, for making her better <3

EDIT: CONFIRMED SHE'LL BE AP! THANK YOU RIOT. The ones being unnecessarily mean can stop now. <3

https://imgur.com/KDNRdOd

and here's the reason!

https://imgur.com/RyJtdDQ

83 Comments

Ahris9/27/2017, 4:52:03 PM27 votes

Because AP itemization is worse than AD itemization, so it is natural to want AD.

Radiant Seraph9/27/2017, 3:37:32 PM19 votes

we needed more full AP junglers

So true, man

hhaavviikk9/27/2017, 4:47:25 PM19 votes

yeah thanks for removing build variety, real nice

Linna Excel9/27/2017, 7:39:37 PM17 votes

why?

Because hybrid champs give you a certain amount of freedom. Imagine first picking evelynn only to see your team go heavy magic damage. That'd be pretty devastating on an AP only champ.

Now imagine if you had the option to go item 1419item 3153 and do better damage against an MR/HP stacking team than if you went full AP like the rest of your team.

PaeanAsklepios9/27/2017, 7:50:04 PM13 votes

I'm nearly Mastery 6 on Eve and have built her as hybrid or full AD in every single game except one or two (to see how full AP felt).

Having the hybrid option gave Eve versality, as many people have said. Versatility makes champs less stale to play, as you have multiple options. For ezample, I typically preferred having the lifesteal/sustain from AD, which fit into my personal playstyle better than AP.

This coming from someone who plays a lot of mages as well as Katarina, all AP. In the same vein, Eve was a refreshing sort of assassin for me because I don't care much for the AD assassins--except for Eve.

I'm not resistant to this change. I expected it. Just sad that I'm playing another AP assassin.

LightIsMyPath9/27/2017, 6:22:26 PM11 votes

I completely disagree. Theorycrafting on build was the thing I liked the most as an occasional eve player. Balance can be done by addressing the single scaling (ad or AP) without touching base damage and cooldowns. But still happy you like the change as a way more consistent eve player than me

Jet Sett9/27/2017, 7:00:07 PM10 votes

I'm actually surprised this isn't a joke. Don't get how having diversity suddenly means you can't be full AP or AD, but I guess you can figure that out yourself. Plus, if you really love a champion there's no need for them to be "simple" if both ways can be effective. The only thing good coming from a champ losing build diversity is the ease of balancing them. And no one ever said Eve wasn't a full AP jungler either, there was just an option to do either.

Less is more I suppose.

DynamiteGazelle9/27/2017, 11:16:46 PM9 votes

AD players often played AD-bruiser style, not AD assassin. Adding AD ratios to her would in no way take power away from her AP build, it just gives her an either/or choice. I don't see how you can argue in favor of less flexibility. I've been maining Eve since season 3 and playing her AD the whole time. In fact, she's probably been played AD more than AP in her lifetime so it really grinds my gears to have people who don't care about the old Eve offering comments like yours. I don't mean any offense, but.....when they come for your champion someday, you'll get it

Karn Bishop9/27/2017, 3:37:39 PM8 votes

She should have an ad ratio on Q at the very least so that item 3146 is not a straight up bad buy on her. The other abilities don't need an ad ratio however Q definitely needs a small ad ratio.

RainbowIcee9/28/2017, 2:04:07 AM8 votes

AD scaling on eve won't stop you from building her AP. What you're saying is simply just selfish and just limits the game tbh. I'm all up for having more hybrid champions. It won't kill you and you have no business being bothered by people building her AD if it's their preference. I'm very inclined to call you a C*nt OP. Let other's be happy.

[zombie-brand-clap]

and Yes i play Eve and i've been playing her AP for the longest I simply will always favor more options in this game, I got what i want so i'll support others getting what they want if it doesn't cause harm.

Vekkna9/27/2017, 10:14:43 PM7 votes

AD items have been better than AP items for 2 consecutive seasons, and the current runes push the AD advantage even further.

Why the fuck would anyone want to lose their AD ratios at this point?

Pixel Razor9/28/2017, 5:34:24 AM4 votes

Yea, thanks for making her no longer be the most diverse champ as far as item builds and playstyles go, especially when it comes to counterbuilding

Blade of Justic9/27/2017, 8:50:03 PM3 votes

{quoted}

(plus we needed more full AP junglers).

Amumu Chogath Diana Elise Fiddlesticks Ivern Malphite Maokai Rammus Sejuani are all the ones I can think of.

I don't have a problem with having more AP junglers, though.

PaffWasTaken9/27/2017, 11:47:20 PM3 votes

Well, hybrid champs are the rarest kind of champions in the game and they all have very interesting kits and build possibilities. When you look at current AP itemisation, you would be some kind of masochist (yes, that joke was intended) to refuse both the unique playstyle and possibilities of an hybrid scaling along with the far better AD/Hybrid itemisation

Jerry SeinfeId9/28/2017, 1:20:41 PM2 votes

they could just add bonues ad scaling to her kit. This would mean she won't have to lose any power as ap eve because she won't be benefitting from her base ad.

Thunderneedle9/28/2017, 4:43:11 PM2 votes

they stole her AD ratios and gave her even worse AP ratios than before...

You do mediocre damage at best even if you hit your charm and the Q. I just had a game as old eve with Runic + 25Mejai + Duskblade + Gunblade and I oneshot enemy Ekko in 0.08 seconds. I would technically be able to do this exact thing every 40 seconds lategame.

New fed eve could not do this, since it will be at least 2.5 + seconds. 2.5+ seconds = 2 adc autos = already dead before you do damage. Since new eve is ult reliant she would be able to "burst" (but really long and drawn out, you die before you could finish) combo every 1min30sec.

You should go watch the replay from Moon's stream, even superfed and ahead he couldnt burst squishys. She does no damage at all if she misses Q, she anounces where she is and even if the enemy is bad enough that you can charm then and do land all your stuff correctly you still do barely any damage...

im so dissapointed

If they had left her AD ratios at least you could get real assassin items like duskblade and Gunblade. now you have to build all the nerfed AP items (that really dont have any ap anymore) along with bad AP ratios. They just took from eve and didnt put back some %AP scaling to compensate for the AD loss.

I really dont get it:

Early game: lol what early game? You have no mana and no stealth, at most she might get 1 or 2 ganks in before 6 at this rate. So, no early game. You will get bullied out of your own jungle by lee, elise probably even Maokai. I bet Lee bursts enemies faster than new eve.

Mid game: you finally got stealth GOOD JOB! you can do something! or can you? since you have had a terrible early game you can only really hope you got to peacefully farm to 6 and its minute 8. At this pace you should reach the jungle item at about minute 13. So you have no items, ok, can you damage? no because as well as having crap scalings you also have bad bases. Your damage is tied up in ultimate to be used to KS your allies. Not to mention this KS has a very very long cooldown. Once again, Lee would Kick more often and thats with his "nerfed" cooldown on ult.

Late game: You got lucky, early game enemy jungle didnt crush you or your lanes, mid game you scrounged up the kills from your teammates and no one started flaming, you might have actual items we are about minute 23 and lets be generous say you got 3 items. But so do your enemies.

You go warn everyone about where you are, your detection range is enormous, you are superslow, you have to waste your ult to gapclose. If you press W and the channel completes you get a giant arrow pointing out where to throw the CC.

Once again, lets assume your enemies are bad and you managed to pick one off. What now? your ult needs another 2 minutes, you pressed E and Q as well , they are on cooldown. Best case scenario you got cleanly out of the fight, worst case you had to use ult to gapclose and are somewhere in the middle of a chaotic teamfight, you are superslow and cannot leave or do damage, you just have to sit there and hope they let you crawl away.

I just dont see it. The movespeed was so important.

She needs a couple of the following things: - P Should let her start at 900 camouflage range that scales down to the 400 camouflage range twitch has. OR should provide % bonus movespeed scaling with level. If you cannot outmaneuver the enemy you cannot actually use this massive detection range. EVEN TWITCH gets movespeed during Q and his detection range is tiny.

Edit: and I forgot: You nerfed her Health regen to tack on "regen" on the passive. So early game: instead of slowly topping off to 100% you can now only get back to 40%, leaving you really juicy when you are trying to clear with no mana whatsoever.

_- Q should get actual scalings preferably AP and AD, preferably give back the 70% AD scaling they stole from it. You have to hit a thin blockable skillshot to be able to do LESS damage than before??? and you cant even spam it. You can do 3 instead of 8 in the same time span it comes back off CD. _

  • W should be less suicidal. Right now it a) shows your position b) makes a giant marker point out your position c) makes you have to wait 2.5 seconds to have a chance at being able to kill someone. Remove a, b or shorten c. W is so bad that enemies dont even need to ward versus evelynn, they can just wait for the mark and take their leisurely time retreating. Maybe W should provide movespeed while near a marked target as well.

  • E The dash is... abysmall at best. You walk at snails pace. Lee sin walks out of your detection range if he doesnt wanna fight you and you have to waste ult to catch up, then he uses his dashes to get away. Since her detection range is still massive and you move so slowly and it is a targeted gap closer you can only use it on bad enemies. You cannot even flank enemies anymore since you betray your position with W, you also move too slowly to reposition and look for angles. SO: E should provide actual movespeed and get resets. The condition for using E is hard to achieve as is with enemies just walking away, so after you land E on someone you should be able to stick. 30% doesn't cut it.

  • R Looks cool, no real complaints except that it has bad CD and bad scalings. Seeing moon fail so often at executing squishys was disheartening. ( he usually wasnt even able to save ult for that, mainly had to waste it on gapclosing)